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Haves1979

Haves1979

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T5 SE 140
Interior and cabinets are genuine, not sure if they are original to the van though. As mentioned windows look wrong and the electric hook up looks in the wrong place. I also didn't think they had a heated rear window, although that might have been on the ones with double glazing. That said, it might depend what year the van is as the spec's seemed to change based on what I've seen advertised on ebay.

The roof rack is the same as the one I had, which is discussed here:


Either way, lovely looking van, which I'm sure you'll have great fun in.
 
David Eccles

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You’re right Westfalia’s didn’t come with the middle row of seats, it was offered as an option though. Built and supplied by Westfalia.


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Ah did not realise twas an official option! Never ever seen one fitted with middle seats in brochures or for real over the years so must be a rarity then..
every day is a school day!
 
mrcheesbrough

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Wiltshire
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T4 PopTop
Ah did not realise twas an official option! Never ever seen one fitted with middle seats in brochures or for real over the years so must be a rarity then..
every day is a school day!

We had one for a while but didn’t really get the use out of it. I don’t think many were bought as it’s not entirely convenient when you’re camping to lug it in and out. Makes a comfortable camping bench though.


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sidepod

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EHU Socket is correct but there looks to be an additional one?

Early furniture is better as it has the drawer with the short door. Later is a pain as you need to open the door to open the drawer.
 
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neofeudal

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Pennsylvania USA
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T4 PopTop
I would say it’s gen. Plenty of original clues for my money. Certainly all the right bits so it’s good enough.

I had a roof rack similar on a Westy of similar age. It uses roof mounted extrusions to locate the rack.

Lovely looking van. Always liked those early tyre brackets.
Intersting that the roof rack is stock. It sure is hard to track this stuff down online. Gives me SOME hope, though, that accessories may yet exist out there. Thanks!
 
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neofeudal

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Pennsylvania USA
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T4 PopTop
The furniture is correct for the period. The ‘modern’ less colourful furniture came in around 1996/7 with the longnose front end.


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I re-checked my details and see that this is in fact a 1996. So that would fit with your upholstery comment.
 
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neofeudal

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Pennsylvania USA
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T4 PopTop
I can understand why you might question it’s originality but I’m with @sidepod on this. It looks genuine with a few slightly different spec items due to its journey through Japan and Canada to you.

As mentioned Westfalia did usually leave a plaque or sticker to identify the model. It may well of been removed if it’s had an all body respect at some point but you should find it on near where the arrow in this picture is pointing. On the ‘C’ post.

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I will check on the plaque. I am awaiting delivery at this point and so cannot tell.
 
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neofeudal

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Pennsylvania USA
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T4 PopTop
Well whatever it is your van looks absolutely gorgeous. What a find! From your photos it looks mint.

With all the complicated techy stuff on modern vans just waiting to go wrong at some point in the future, it's these early vehicles than will stand the test of time better. :thumb
It is close to mint, from what I can tell (awaiting delivery). Has only 34,885 miles on it! An independent mechanic confirmed that it does indeed appear to have been used very little. I guess Japan is a small island...but still!
 
mrcheesbrough

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The colour matches with what VW we’re selling at the time for Westfalia California’s, the only thing is it is possibly missing some decals - like in @sidepods picture. I couldn’t be sure about that though as it’s a different market to here Europe.


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neofeudal

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Pennsylvania USA
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T4 PopTop
If you can find one they cost the earth as well as weighing about the same as the earth. I had one. Used it three times in 10 years so sold it.


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As I have three kids, and as it is a stick shift, the extra seat seemed key. I believe if not for the stick shift, I could get a double seat for one of the front seats and make a bench seat, basically?

We'll see about how hard it is to get that seat out. POSSIBLY, as my kids are small, I can run with the extra seat facing backwards (safer anyway) and then just slide the seats together to make a bed of sorts. But unsure if it would be in the way/a royal pain in terms of storage access.

If my wife and I are able to heft the middle seat out at campgrounds, sounds like we should find a way to secure it...you think somebody would know what it is and steal it? Perhaps some fake vommit would dissuade them? Or a stuffed Attack Chihuahua with motion sensor? Seriously, open to ideas. Maybe I can get some walls that hook on the Fiamma canopy to provide some cover to reduce temptation...?
 
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neofeudal

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Pennsylvania USA
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T4 PopTop
Interior and cabinets are genuine, not sure if they are original to the van though. As mentioned windows look wrong and the electric hook up looks in the wrong place. I also didn't think they had a heated rear window, although that might have been on the ones with double glazing. That said, it might depend what year the van is as the spec's seemed to change based on what I've seen advertised on ebay.

The roof rack is the same as the one I had, which is discussed here:


Either way, lovely looking van, which I'm sure you'll have great fun in.
GOLD! So that is a "Sherpas Combi Translift roof bar system"!!! Well done, mate!
 
mrcheesbrough

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Wiltshire
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T4 PopTop
As I have three kids, and as it is a stick shift, the extra seat seemed key. I believe if not for the stick shift, I could get a double seat for one of the front seats and make a bench seat, basically?

We'll see about how hard it is to get that seat out. POSSIBLY, as my kids are small, I can run with the extra seat facing backwards (safer anyway) and then just slide the seats together to make a bed of sorts. But unsure if it would be in the way/a royal pain in terms of storage access.

If my wife and I are able to heft the middle seat out at campgrounds, sounds like we should find a way to secure it...you think somebody would know what it is and steal it? Perhaps some fake vommit would dissuade them? Or a stuffed Attack Chihuahua with motion sensor? Seriously, open to ideas. Maybe I can get some walls that hook on the Fiamma canopy to provide some cover to reduce temptation...?

I’m not sure it’ll slot in the opposite way round but I never tried that. It’s quite a hefty lump so I doubt you’ll need any additional deterrent but a stuffed attack chihuahua could be fun. We used to use it as additional seating once we set up camp. Or we’d just cover it with a big plastic bag if there was rain. Sides for your Fiamma awning are definitely an option though.


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Perfectos

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Hi Neofeudal,

Nice T4

link below has the US / Canadian + U.K. version of the owner manual thought it may be of useful to you along with a few other links on the site.

like to see some more Pictures when you get the van.

 
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neofeudal

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Pennsylvania USA
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T4 PopTop
Hi Neofeudal,

Nice T4

link below has the US / Canadian + U.K. version of the owner manual thought it may be of useful to you along with a few other links on the site.

like to see some more Pictures when you get the van.

Many thanks!
 
Paul_W

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Altrincham
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T5 SE 180
WOW what a beauty! It’s amazing how little the basic layout and equipment has changed in nearly 30 years…… I guess once you’ve got it right there’s no point changing it!

Definitely need more pics once she’s delivered :thumb
 
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SteveWR

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Capelle, Netherlands
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T6 Ocean 150
I noticed when I went from the T4 to the T5 that the space in front of the lower bed was smaller. Could only just get the portapotti in front of the bed. Same with my T6.
 

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