NHS Nightingale

[Velma's Dad]

I have actually already read that article and agree that it poses a completely different point of view but it seems to discuss more about the origins of the concerns and some of the obscure links being made to 5G and Covid.

Unfortunately the article doesn’t expand on why 5G is safe and how it has been irrefutably tested. Should someone do this and publish it to the masses it may placate people
enough to stop the criminality.

Well a moment on Google pulls up the following, from Public Health England (2019):

5G technologies: radio waves and health

www.gov.uk

 

[Amarillo]

"NHS Nightingale is failing to support London's drowning hospitals"

 

[jts46]

Don’t deserve help after disgusting display on Westminster bridge

 

[WelshGas]

"NHS Nightingale is failing to support London's drowning hospitals"

I note that the Royal College of Anaesthetists and the Intensive Care Society are not mentioned . Also, Anaesthetic machines are more than capable , in fact often more capable than ICU ventilators and share many of the parts together with integrated monitoring. I've run them for 2 weeks or more until no longer needed by the patient. In fact they are much more robust.

 

[ArunAlec]

Don’t deserve help after disgusting display on Westminster bridge

I don’t think the ”clappers” on the bridge were NHS, in fact there’s quite a few negative comments about the gathering from NHS staff. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do especially when the police were part of the event. Essential journey? Mass gathering? And Cressida Dick leading the clapping! WTF.

 

[Amarillo]

I note that the Royal College of Anaesthetists and the Intensive Care Society are not mentioned . Also, Anaesthetic machines are more than capable , in fact often more capable than ICU ventilators and share many of the parts together with integrated monitoring. I've run them for 2 weeks or more until no longer needed by the patient. In fact they are much more robust.

So the report saying that Anaesthetic machines are not designed for the job, while correct, doesn’t tell the whole story: they are *more* than capable of doing the job.

What I took away from the article is that the admissions criteria for NHS Nightingale is so tight that it is not doing much to relieve the pressure on London’s hospitals.

Given that much of its nursing staff is final year nursing students, St Johns Ambulance and returning nurses, I expect they are wanting a slow build up of patients so they can devise the best working practices and ensure everyone knows exactly what they should be doing.

Over time perhaps they will loosen admissions criteria.

What I have no idea about is how easy it would be to transfer a ventilated patients across London to Excel, of will patients be transferred before being ventilated.

What I did see when I cycled past Excel shortly before it opened were lorry based ambulances, several times larger than standard ambulances. Perhaps mini operating theatres inside, or for transporting multiple patients, or maybe just one critically ill patient?

 

[WelshGas]

So the report saying that Anaesthetic machines are not designed for the job, while correct, doesn’t tell the whole story: they are *more* than capable of doing the job.

What I took away from the article is that the admissions criteria for NHS Nightingale is so tight that it is not doing much to relieve the pressure on London’s hospitals.

Given that much of its nursing staff is final year nursing students, St Johns Ambulance and returning nurses, I expect they are wanting a slow build up of patients so they can devise the best working practices and ensure everyone knows exactly what they should be doing.

Over time perhaps they will loosen admissions criteria.

What I have no idea about is how easy it would be to transfer a ventilated patients across London to Excel, of will patients be transferred before being ventilated.

What I did see when I cycled past Excel shortly before it opened were lorry based ambulances, several times larger than standard ambulances. Perhaps mini operating theatres inside, or for transporting multiple patients, or maybe just one critically ill patient?

Unless London is different to other parts of the country the ICUs, London Ambulance and the Helicopter Service will all have the equipment to transfer high end ICU patients anywhere in the country. We had no problems transferring ventilated patients from South Wales to specialised units using Ambulance, Welsh Air Ambulance or the RAF. Part of the job.

 

[Amarillo]

I find it amusing that the Government has withdrawn its retrospective planning application for the Excel Nightingale hospital. It has overwhelming support from locals, the only negative comments being about the pressure on local shops with up to 16,000 staff wanting their egg and cress sandwiches from Marks and Spencer local, and people on their daily exercise wanting a signed diversion for closed routes. Instead, the Government, not wanting the bother of the faff of being asked to sign diversions for closed footpaths, has changed the law meaning that planning consent is not required.

 

[westfalia]

I find it amusing that the Government has withdrawn its retrospective planning application for the Excel Nightingale hospital. It has overwhelming support from locals, the only negative comments being about the pressure on local shops with up to 16,000 staff wanting their egg and cress sandwiches from Marks and Spencer local, and people on their daily exercise wanting a signed diversion for closed routes. Instead, the Government, not wanting the bother of the faff of being asked to sign diversions for closed footpaths, has changed the law meaning that planning consent is not required.

Like how you got Egg in there.

Could've put salmon and cucumber, which are ace when homemade.

 

[Amarillo]

Could the Nightingale hospitals be used as internment camps for those testing positive and refusing to self isolate? The legislation necessary for internment is in place for this. It would make sense - with most people suffering mild symptoms of CV, they could be housed in mass wards with low levels of nursing staff. The military are already involved with the Nightingale hospitals and have the right expertise to act as wardens.

 

[Amarillo]

Why hasn’t the NHS Nightingale hospital taken off? | ITV News

The NHS Nightingale hospital has only treated 41 patients since opening, but could there be a new wave of patients? | ITV National News

www.itv.com

 

[WelshGas]

Like many Insurance Policies, it seems like a waste of money until the s**t hits the fan and you have to make a claim. There are many more months to go yet. Hopefully, they never have to be used for there intended purpose. But they could have a roll to play as the NHS starts getting back to normal, possibly as a convalescent facility, or pre-quarantine facility for elective NHS admissions.

 

[RodCouncil]

Better to have the capacity than not, feels like they are complaining more people are not dieing.

Our Stockholm equivalent has sat untouched, nobody is saying that’s a wasted effort

 

[Amarillo]

Like many Insurance Policies, it seems like a waste of money until the s**t hits the fan and you have to make a claim. There are many more months to go yet. Hopefully, they never have to be used

Absolutely agree. I’d far rather have 500 (or 4000) spare beds in London than one too few. I just thought the analysis of why there are so few admissions interesting. As this pandemic continues the NHS will have to reopen to routine business, and the Nightingales are perhaps the route to that reopening.

Also, as testing is ramped up, they could be used as a sort of internment camps for people who test positive and are having difficulties self isolating. I think that is unlikely, but the legislation has been put in place for confinement without trial for those at risk of knowingly spreading the virus.