The New All electric California due in Autumn 2019. What are you thoughts?

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So VW are releasing an all electric powered version of the T6.1 including a California version in Autumn 2019.

It states a range of upto 300 miles, but how do you all feel about a 300 mile range? Is that enough? Its the charging that worries me?
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Quote from Top Gear
"Alongside a bunch of 2.0 TDI diesels (topping out at 196bhp) there’s now a fully electric version, developed with the help of tuning and motorsport specialists ABT and possessing 110bhp. With the option of a humongous 77.6kWh battery, it can travel almost 300 miles on a charge. Though we suspect that’ll fall depending on how you drive it and how heavily you load it"
 
I suppose we all have to be mindful of our environment, me personally at this moment in time electric vehicles are only suited for inner-city use due to the lack of an adequate support network for charging these vehicles and as it states a range of 300 miles which would drastically go down with camping equipment and suchlike. I for one will be waiting a few more years yet before making the transformation to electric and probably by then I would not be an owner of a campervan anyway.
 
I'd be sceptical about the 300 miles figure.

We've only just got our diesel Cali so won't be changing it for a good few years yet but when we do I'd be interested in an electric version. Hopefully range and charging times continue to improve in that time period.

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I agree, now it it said 3000 mile range, think we would all be banging on VW door trading in our Cali's, but swapping a vehicle for less miles and more awkward power charging and paying a premium seems slightly silly imo
 
Typical holiday. 1st Night Whitby Yorkshire 299 miles from home
 
They are not doing a hybrid. Only Ford seem to be going hybrid with their vans aka transit. Ford Using 1.0 litre petrol engine 100% charging the battery and with its built in GPS can turn eletric only on in cities and low emission zones. Hybrid tech defo stops the range anxiety. Seems VW missing a trick not using similar tech.
 
I did read that Hybrid development had been abandoned by most vehicle manufacturers as it still utilises carbon fuels with the associated emission problems. The development costs didn't justify the long term banning of fossil powered engines. ie get it all working and Governments don't permit it on the road so no sales.

Shan't get into politicians and cart before horse scenario.
 
Wonder how long it would take to charge on EHU at a campsite, if at all? Don't think this is ready / suitable for camper market yet.
It does make me wonder about the future value of my vehicle though......
A summerhouse for the garden maybe?
 
Wonder how long it would take to charge on EHU at a campsite, if at all? Don't think this is ready / suitable for camper market yet.
It does make me wonder about the future value of my vehicle though......
A summerhouse for the garden maybe?
There not banning diesels until 2040, a few years left yet to enjoy it.
 
....that Cali version ....with zero payload that probally would be .
All those extra batteries toghether with the camping interieur leaves you with zero payload an no passengers .
A full electric California ....no way !
 
Does that mean banning diesel production or complete obliteration?

Alan
Think the ban is to stop selling diesel vehicles by 2040 so they will be with us still after 2040. However, city bans will be much sooner.
 
Good evening,

I don't believe that full electric cars can replace vehicles with combustion engines soon - so I said it :rolleyes:

Even if in the near future the battery development manages to produce batteries with high capacity, good for 500 - 600 km (realistically), from where is the electricity coming from (which first all countries in Europe must develop a framework for recharging)? I don't know how many vehicles we have in Ireland or in Europe, but if only 25% of those cars would be full electric that is a lot of electricity (on top of everything else) that need to be produced.

Germany made a clear commitment to close down all nuclear power stations in the future (can't remember in what year), other countries might (maybe even should) follow. Does that mean we have to produce all this electricity from renewable resources? I have a small shadow of a doubt.

In my workplace the number of electric cars are growing. Talking to the drivers I hear one thing only - it is cheap to run. How is this achieved? By using the options of free recharging either from the county council, shopping malls or in work. I believe the hunger for electric cars will get a dent as soon as all those drivers need to charger their car at home, paying for it. I know that we all have to pay a lot at the petrol station, but suddenly to get a high electricity bill...

Please, don't get me wrong. I am not against environment protection. But I try to be realistic and pragmatic.

In the last 70 years Europe created an environment that rely to commute. Work and shopping is in the inner cities. Living is in the country side, out of the cities (mainly because nobody can afford a house, apartment to buy or rent in the city). It is a gigantic effort to improve the public transport (bus and train) to improve the service outside the cities (which was neglected in all the years because everybody was driving).

What about all the tourist areas in Europe. Almost all of them rely on visitors using cars, buses, planes, ships, campers or motorbikes. I couldn't imagine how live would like for those people living and working in the tourist areas. Areas which have a natural beauty but without tourists bitterly poor.

We all got use to affordable flights. Hopping over to America - no problem, hopping over to Australia - no problem, hopping over to Frankfurt - no problem (well that is a problem for me, I start to dislike flying :)). Losing this, does that mean we can't visit our relatives oversees anymore?

I believe we need more time, which we (humanity) might not have. Wouldn't it be more realistic if for instance we scale down of what we have, meaning continue to use combustion engines - but smaller ones. Is it necessary to have a 3l engine with 275 BHP? There are engines with 1L and 90 BHP using realistically less than 50% of petrol / diesel. There is a hype that only "sporty" and "powerful" cars can achieve what we need to achieve. And this is the point that I believe we need to change. I believe we can continue to live in the same way - but scaled down, which in turn takes pressure off the environment and buys us the time we need.

In my mind the near future would be in parallel to scale down the vehicles with combustion engine and at the same time try to find alternatives (public transport, make living in the cities affordable ((hence avoid or reduce traffic in the first place)) develop electric cars / vans / trucks, look for an alternative to combustion engine ((not electric)), tackle the other sources of environmental pollution).

Just may thoughts about this.

Regards,
Eberhard
 
They can't even get a mobile signal and good Internet connection in a lot of the country. let alone charging points. I'd be oo worried about range anxiety. People would be driving about with no lights on to save power . And what happens in a few years when the batteries are shagged. Probably about 8 grand for some new ones and a load of dead kids in the African lithium mines. Shipped around the world on boats with 4 18cylinder heavy oil burning engines. Ridiculous.
 
From experience with our Golf GTE, electric miles, or e-miles, are much shorter than imperial miles. In good weather, they are about the same as a kilometre, but in the cold they shrink considerably (like something else I could mention :D )

Our plug in hybrid had a range of 31 miles when new, but now just over 3 years old the best we can get is 27 - 28. That’s e-miles. Oh, and if we turn the air con/heating on, it drops to about 20. So we choose to freeze (or overheat), and the windows mist up. :(
 
Will the UK have the generating capacity to cope with a rapid expansion in the electric vehicle fleet?

Are electric vehicles as environmentaly friendly as we are all being led to believe?

When will the charging network be fit for purpose?

Will electric vehicles become the subject to a future scapage scheme due to environmental concerns over the batteries.

Will battery range ever be extended to make a fully electric Cali a viable proposition?

What happens when your battery pack has reached the end of it's life?

I think I stick with my diesel Cali thank you.
 
I’ve heard a story about someone in a Tesla who had to wait 4 hours to get a charging bay, having been just pipped to the post for the last one. Maybe there was some exaggeration, maybe not.

Also, if you have a plug in hybrid some of those with full electric think you have no right to charge your car up in a public bay!

We’ll soon be reading about EV rage incidents at the charging points! :D
 
I’ve heard a story about someone in a Tesla who had to wait 4 hours to get a charging bay, having been just pipped to the post for the last one. Maybe there was some exaggeration, maybe not.

Also, if you have a plug in hybrid some of those with full electric think you have no right to charge your car up in a public bay!

We’ll soon be reading about EV rage incidents at the charging points! :D

Me too, i went to fill up with diesel last month and was admiring the tesla at the charging point and thetdriver jist waiting, took me 5 minutes to fill up with diesel and then i had 450 mile range, went for a coffee, did some quotations, read some emails and the tesla driver was still there whem i came out waiting. I drove off, maybe he is still there, who knows and that made me realise, no thanks. I will wait for 1000 mile range, 10 min wireless charging, then im interested, really interested.
 
300 miles is not enough for a Cali for most. But for the transporter? Might be perfect for a lot of companies i think.

For a camper... need on about double of that. Few more years and than all cars will be electric and ride 500 miles +.

That is the time i will go electric, not before that.
 
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