VW confirms plans for ID California electric camper van

[Ozzy Pete]

That’s why Germany has added a surcharge to electric bills to finance the transition to a range of renewables, and away from nuclear that leaves toxic nuclear waste that lasts over two hundred times the length of time since the birth of Christ, but one German resident on this forum has complained about the price rise, so obviously not everyone is on board.

Germany has Russian gas to rely on anyway......

 

[Ch1pbutty]

I agree with you, inevitably when you put all your eggs in the one basket something goes tits up. If we are going to rely on materials from Countries like China and Russia we are going down the same slippery slope as what’s happening now with energy and oil.
We never learn from our previous mistakes. Even if in the short term it’s going to cost more we can’t carry on relying on other countries for our energy....

The Chinese also own a large share in our energy & utilities (although dated, below article gives you an idea of scale):

Where in Britain does China spend its money? | China | The Guardian

UK manufacturing, energy and transport and telecoms have received investment from Beijing for years

amp.theguardian.com

 

[scottk]

The UK also has a levy on our energy bills. Think it is 5 or 8%

 

[clarinetbcn]

So an increase of 53% in Electricity prices in one go is not enough?
People in the UK find it hard enough to pay the recent increase without another one which is due in October. We don’t need our government to screw us any more we have OFGEM to do that for us.

My increase this year has been 0%. My flat built in 1880 has been functioning on solar power since 2019, and this month my system has reached amortization, due to buying equipment as a group of 100 residences and a 60% subsidy of total installation cost from the city of Barcelona. It’s a political decision. From now on my electricity costs, including heating and AC, are zero.

The same is happening in Germany. All new housing in California, the world’s 5th largest economy and larger that either the UK or India, by law must be net zero since 2020. I don’t know why everyone in other countries aren’t already demanding this. Could it be because of disinformation propaganda?

 

[WelshGas]

60% subsidy of total installation cost from the city of Barcelona.

That's why.

 

[andyinluton]

Together with sufficient sunshine to make it a short payback time.

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

My increase this year has been 0%. My flat built in 1880 has been functioning on solar power since 2019, and this month my system has reached amortization, due to buying equipment as a group of 100 residences and a 60% subsidy of total installation cost from the city of Barcelona. It’s a political decision. From now on my electricity costs, including heating and AC, are zero.

The same is happening in Germany. All new housing in California, the world’s 5th largest economy and larger that either the UK or India, by law must be net zero since 2020. I don’t know why everyone in other countries aren’t already demanding this. Could it be because of disinformation propaganda?

That’s great @clarinetbcn but genuine question? Are other taxes in Barcelona/Spain going up to make up for the shortfall in revenue collected by the city/government?

 

[Wildcamper]

My increase this year has been 0%. My flat built in 1880 has been functioning on solar power since 2019, and this month my system has reached amortization, due to buying equipment as a group of 100 residences and a 60% subsidy of total installation cost from the city of Barcelona. It’s a political decision. From now on my electricity costs, including heating and AC, are zero.

The same is happening in Germany. All new housing in California, the world’s 5th largest economy and larger that either the UK or India, by law must be net zero since 2020. I don’t know why everyone in other countries aren’t already demanding this. Could it be because of disinformation propaganda?

Someone has to pay in the end. "You" are almost certainly paying via taxes etc. It's a bit like buying an EV to reduce pollution, yes it does at the point of use - the pollution is just moved somewhere else. Out of sight out if mind.

 

[Ozzy Pete]

My increase this year has been 0%. My flat built in 1880 has been functioning on solar power since 2019, and this month my system has reached amortization, due to buying equipment as a group of 100 residences and a 60% subsidy of total installation cost from the city of Barcelona. It’s a political decision. From now on my electricity costs, including heating and AC, are zero.

The same is happening in Germany. All new housing in California, the world’s 5th largest economy and larger that either the UK or India, by law must be net zero since 2020. I don’t know why everyone in other countries aren’t already demanding this. Could it be because of disinformation propaganda?

We travel to Spain most years before the pandemic and see massive areas of Solar panels out in the middle of nowhere. That may well be successful in Spain but little chance of working in Wales. The chance of a tidal lagoon in Swansea was turned down because of cost ( A billion Pounds) but when it came to wasting many £ billions on useless PPE that was ok. They talk about heat pumps but at the cost of over £20k few can actually afford to install them even with supposed Government grants. This is not going to be easy for anyone if our taxes are not spent more wisely...

 

[clarinetbcn]

60% subsidy of total installation cost from the city of Barcelona.

That's why.

No, that’s not why California, the 5th largest economy in the world, with both northern and southern climates, has required all new housing to be net zero since 2020. I’ve encountered these arguments unsupported by evidence before, like the endlessly discussed and disproven trope that electric cars are more polluting over their entire lifetime including manufacture, hence my mention of disinformation. Instead of wasting time I just point to where it’s already being done.

In Spain and Germany’s case, this political decision has launched a new industry that provides tax paying jobs, and cities like Barcelona are raking in the taxes from VAT on the booming number of installations.

 

[WelshGas]

We travel to Spain most years before the pandemic and see massive areas of Solar panels out in the middle of nowhere. That may well be successful in Spain but little chance of working in Wales. The chance of a tidal lagoon in Swansea was turned down because of cost ( A billion Pounds) but when it came to wasting many £ billions on useless PPE that was ok. They talk about heat pumps but at the cost of over £20k few can actually afford to install them even with supposed Government grants. This is not going to be easy for anyone if our taxes are not spent more wisely...

Don't believe everything you read in the media about " useless PPE ". A lot that was deemed unfit for Covid protection was relabeled for general cleaning duties, cleaning up the s**t and vomit in A&E etc. So they might have paid over the odds at the time, along with many other governments, but very little was wasted.

 

[WelshGas]

So Storm Eunice strikes.
Too windy for the local windfarm all the wind turbines are static to protect the turbines and too cloudy for any meaningful output from solar panels.
Thank goodness for gas, coal and nuclear.

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

No, that’s not why California, the 5th largest economy in the world, with both northern and southern climates, has required all new housing to be net zero since 2020. I’ve encountered these arguments unsupported by evidence before, like the endlessly discussed and disproven trope that electric cars are more polluting over their entire lifetime including manufacture, hence my mention of disinformation. Instead of wasting time I just point to where it’s already being done.

In Spain and Germany’s case, this political decision has launched a new industry that provides tax paying jobs, and cities like Barcelona are raking in the taxes from VAT on the booming number of installations.

But VAT Income on installations is a 1 off and doesn’t replace recurring revenues from consumption of energy.

 

[Ozzy Pete]

Don't believe everything you read in the media about " useless PPE ". A lot that was deemed unfit for Covid protection was relabeled for general cleaning duties, cleaning up the s**t and vomit in A&E etc. So they might have paid over the odds at the time, along with many other governments, but very little was wasted.

“Might have paid over the odds” .. To me when I pay for goods made for me in China I want to see those goods before they are exported and paid for. Who was there checking to see if they were up to standard? If the Government was a business they would have gone bankrupt years ago.

 

[Ch1pbutty]

“Might have paid over the odds” .. To me when I pay for goods made for me in China I want to see those goods before they are exported and paid for. Who was there checking to see if they were up to standard? If the Government was a business they would have gone bankrupt years ago.

Impossible to inspect anything when China was in lockdown. If they hadn’t purchased anything then they would have been accused of not doing enough.

China's Covid regs still causing big issues in our industry:

Denied Access to the Pier, Officer Dies in Attempt to Read Draft Marks

COVID-19 restrictions on movement contributed to the death of a ships officer at the port of Tianjin...

www.maritime-executive.com

 

[WelshGas]

“Might have paid over the odds” .. To me when I pay for goods made for me in China I want to see those goods before they are exported and paid for. Who was there checking to see if they were up to standard? If the Government was a business they would have gone bankrupt years ago.

See Post 140.
Anyway it was NHS procurement, you know the great NHS, that was supposed to ensure the procurement of PPE. They failed so the Government stepped in.

 

[Ozzy Pete]

Impossible to inspect anything when China was in lockdown. If they hadn’t purchased anything then they would have been accused of not doing enough.

China's Covid regs still causing big issues in our industry:

Denied Access to the Pier, Officer Dies in Attempt to Read Draft Marks

COVID-19 restrictions on movement contributed to the death of a ships officer at the port of Tianjin...

www.maritime-executive.com

Not true. If you have goods for you made in China you will have an agent who would be allowed to inspect the goods. This clearly hadn’t happened. If factories were still making the goods then inspecting agents would also be allowed into the factory. The government didn’t even have samples sent for inspection. Only certain parts of China were in lockdown not the whole of China so there was absolutely no excuse for this costly ( to the UK taxpayers) cockup.

 

[clarinetbcn]

@Ch1pbutty I found this link you posted to be very interesting, but I see it has been removed from the thread. Do you know why?

 

[Ch1pbutty]

@Ch1pbutty I found this link you posted to be very interesting, but I see it has been removed from the thread. Do you know why?

View attachment 89354

I took it off as was starting to go off the original thread. But glad you found it interesting.

 

[Mr B]

 

[Nand0]

Is this the same guy that had a full video about the T7 California that only existed in his head, and didn't come to be?

 

[Mr B]

Is this the same guy that had a full video about the T7 California that only existed in his head, and didn't come to be?

Yep.

That was a load of b@ll@cks - but this is an actual pre-production Buzz (apparently the California will be based on the long wheel base version).

However that 77Kwh battery is too small - once fully loaded in a Cali with 3 passengers potentially - you are going to be getting sub 170 miles per FULL charge I'd imagine. And seeing as you can only fast charge to 80% you will be looking at a lot of stops for a decent trip across Uk or Europe.

So possibly only 140 miles per fast charge... doesn't seem enough.

(Just seen the long wheel base version will have an option for a bigger battery so it might be fine)

 

[Mr B]

 

[Nand0]

I believe there's going to be an 110Kw/h version capable of doing 500Km on a full charge.

Last I read (can't find it now) was that the ID California is not expected until 2026 or 2027. I suppose by then we'll be looking at larger capacity batteries. Perhaps the much talked about solid state batteries, but who knows.

 

[Mr B]

I believe there's going to be an 110Kw/h version capable of doing 500Km on a full charge.

Last I read (can't find it now) was that the ID California is not expected until 2026 or 2027. I suppose by then we'll be looking at larger capacity batteries. Perhaps the much talked about solid state batteries, but who knows.

I'll start saving now

What do you reckon, will £90k be enough...