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The UK and WHO has been saying public should NOT wear them.

It’s increasingly looking like this advice was wrong and even homemade cloth masks have ‘some’ benefits.

Cock up? Or deliberate Misinformation?
Biggest benefit of mask wearing would be that they would dramatically reduce the droplet spread by someone who has the virus when they cough or sneeze. The theoretical spread would be well within the 2mtr zone.
Problem then would be what the wearer then did with a pretty unwearable mask filled with infected moisture. Probably just chuck it and leaving a virus spread source.

Other factor on the benefit of masks, from observing those wearing them, is that the wearer seems to be constantly touching/adjusting them with their hands.

Personally I'd rather forgo a mask until such time as all those who are in the caring front line and at greatest risk are 100% protected. Mask supply for that function currently appears to be a logistical issue. Adding a demand for millions more could be an impossibility.
 
Not sure this look would go down too well at the shops but the respirator is effective . Off course MP5 excluded

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The UK and WHO has been saying public should NOT wear them.

It’s increasingly looking like this advice was wrong and even homemade cloth masks have ‘some’ benefits.

Cock up? Or deliberate Misinformation?

Neither. A difference of opinion.


Mike
 
I see the Donald is suggesting everyone should where a mask...... except him!

Finding something stupid said by the Trump is like shooting fish in a barrel. This isn’t it.

Even if you go along with wearing a mask the main reason seems to be to stop you spreading it when you have no symptoms. He will most certainly know if he gets it and will be isolated. As for giving press conferences with a top of the range mask, well that wouldn’t go down well.

Man is a lunatic who looked like getting re-elected. Hopefully one silver lining out of this is he won’t.


Mike
 
Man is a lunatic who looked like getting re-elected. Hopefully one silver lining out of this is he won’t.


Mike

Trumps approval ratings are up.
Despite his questionable approach.
 
Trumps approval ratings are up.
Despite his questionable approach.

People always rally around their leader in a time of National crisis.

Once Americans see how poorly Trump has managed the crisis compared with other countries his popularity will plummet.

At the moment it looks like the US will fare worse than Spain and Italy, and it is inexcusable that Trump watched what was happening there and didn’t adequately prepare.
 
Trumps approval ratings are up.
Despite his questionable approach.

Probably because he’s dished out money from helicopters. Hopefully that will soon pass. Otherwise not even that silver lining.


Mike
 
People always rally around their leader in a time of National crisis.

Once Americans see how poorly Trump has managed the crisis compared with other countries his popularity will plummet.

At the moment it looks like the US will fare worse than Spain and Italy, and it is inexcusable that Trump watched what was happening there and didn’t adequately prepare.

Probably because Mike Pence told him that mostly democrats are catching Covid-19...

"Mr President, 125 of Jo Biden's supporters caught Covid-19 yesterday"

"Really? Get the CDC to start producing a Bernie Saunders strain straight away..."
 
People always rally around their leader in a time of National crisis.

Once Americans see how poorly Trump has managed the crisis compared with other countries his popularity will plummet.

At the moment it looks like the US will fare worse than Spain and Italy, and it is inexcusable that Trump watched what was happening there and didn’t adequately prepare.
Maybe, but it could play his way and with the Democrats looking likely to do a Corbyn, I wouldn’t bet against Trump just yet.
 
People always rally around their leader in a time of National crisis.

Once Americans see how poorly Trump has managed the crisis compared with other countries his popularity will plummet.

That assumes that the majority of US voters pay any attention to what's happening outside USA. But American exceptionalism as a mentality means that for most people it really doesn't matter what happens overseas. That's why, for example, so many Americans believe their healthcare system is the finest in the world.

How ever many Americans die of CV19, I'm sure Trump can spin it to his base that he did a good job. Re-writing history is his specialist subject.

We know a week is long time in politics and election days is still eight months away, but I certainly wouldn't be writing The Donald off.
 
I’m certainly not writing him off. It’s a hope as the feeling I was getting prior to this was that he would get re-elected for the reasons given.
Last time round the democrats played into his hands and I believe they need to concentrate on a positive message and not just attack Trump. Backing his base into a corner by attacking him didn’t play well last time.
Gob smacking they haven’t come up with an inspirational alternative, again.


Mike
 
Spoken with a few yanks, Trump will be re- elected for sure.
 
Spoken with a few yanks, Trump will be re- elected for sure.
I think much will depend on how big the pile of body bags gets. The US's bloated heathcare system is better equipped than most to manage, but if it crumbles anything could happen.
 
Sanity possibly starting at last. This is a long post but as we are going nowhere worth a read.

Professor Graham Medley, who sits on the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), told The Times that ministers must consider the potential social problems like unemployment and mental ill health caused by the lockdown when deciding its exit strategy.


It is nearly two weeks since Boris Johnson told the public to stay indoors and avoid unnecessary social contact in a bid to halt the spread of the virus.


However, Professor Medley, who chairs the SAGE committee that oversees mathematical models for the Government, said: “This disease is so nasty that we had to suppress it completely. Then we’ve kind of painted ourselves into a corner, because then the question will be what do we do now?


“We will have done three weeks of this lockdown so there’s a big decision coming up on 13 April. In broad terms are we going to continue to harm children to protect vulnerable people, or not?”

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Boris Johnson to remain self-isolated as he is still suffering from coronavirus symptoms

Boris Johnson to remain self-isolated as he is still suffering from coronavirus symptoms



The professor of infectious disease modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine told The Times the social impact of the lockdown was “increasingly being considered” by advisers.


He said: "The measures to control [the disease] cause harm. The principal one is economic, and I don’t mean to the economy generally, I mean to the incomes of people who rely on a continuous stream of money and their children, particularly the school closure aspect .


"There will also be actual harms in terms of mental health, in terms of domestic violence and child abuse, and in terms of food poverty.”


And he warned: "If we carry on with lockdown it buys us more time, we can get more thought put into it, but it doesn’t resolve anything - it’s a placeholder.”


Professor Medley’s warnings about the social toll of the lockdown come after claims for welfare help soared, amid fears that the closure of vast swathes of the economy will plunge the UK into a deep recession.

I end quote

Out of interest, the Government has approved a million benefit claims in the last 2 weeks! Cost to nation???
Unemployment estimates at best are 15% FOLLOWING A RECESSION OF THIS MAGNITUDE (likely to be more)
More claims from self employed, claims for private sector wages etc etc we are looking at hundreds of billions of pounds if not more.

Of interest to the face mask brigade, a quote from the England chief medical officer Dr Van Tam MBE an expert in viral infections and in particular influenza spread

Quote
"Wearing face masks in public will do nothing to slow the spread of the coronavirus, a senior medical expert has declared.

Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van Tam said there was "no evidence" that it prevented people from catching it".


He spoke out amid mounting calls for the Government to change its official advice to the public on wearing masks.


In the meantime we are mobilising 3.000 army reservists for what ever duties are needed. The MoD said it expects 3,000 to be needed for a six-month deployment, with tasks including backing up the NHS, providing specialist skills, reinforcing regional command posts and “to support the implementation of contingency plans developed by other departments”.

I apologise for using the VW forum for political conversation but I think most of us who own campervans love our freedom, ability to roam, visit different locations and engage with nature.
You are, therfore, a good source of individuals to look at the current lunacy before the country is in economic/social ruin.
If you value this freedom and you don't want to SORN your van for months, explore this subject further, it is all ther on the internet.
Note the experts above do NOT mention a vaccine because as I have said before there will be none.
The corona virus has to be lived with just like influenza group. Covid 2 was SARS, killed 3000, 5% death rate (60000 cases). Covid 12 was MERS 15% death rate (2500 cases) no intervention nationally/internationally self terminate like Ebola does. We now have Covid 19 very infectious, but no more than influenza death rate will be much, much, lower than previous coronas. Covid infects 3 people for evryone in contact , incubation period 6 days approx , influenza one individual infects one other but incubation period 2 days, guess wht? same exponential curve!

We have lived with viruses for millenia, they cannot live outside of an host for more than a few hours, kill the host and it dies! ideal situation, fit host carrier state for transmission. (95% of Covid 19 positive have mild or no (60%) symptoms. Look at Herpes group, hepatitis A,B,C etc etc. Even HIV doesn't kill you, it suppresses the immune system and you die of something else. The more virulent the virus the more self limiting it seems to be. There will be new Covids in the next 10 years, more mutated influenza beyong H1N1 H3N2 H5N1 etc. Do we react as we have done to this pandemic everytime one emerges?????
There is a balance in nature, we cannot live forever and viruses have a way of focussing on the people with medical issues/ageing not the young and fit in whom to cause mortality. I am just short of the 'at risk' age group!! I have seen many people die badly, of cancer, strokes after months,heart/lung failure (can't breathe), dementia (killing the relatives by degrees) I would welcome an infectious way out over a few days on a ventilator under sedation . Only a few drop dead with heart attacks and massive strokes.
 
Sanity possibly starting at last. This is a long post but as we are going nowhere worth a read.

Professor Graham Medley, who sits on the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), told The Times that ministers must consider the potential social problems like unemployment and mental ill health caused by the lockdown when deciding its exit strategy.


It is nearly two weeks since Boris Johnson told the public to stay indoors and avoid unnecessary social contact in a bid to halt the spread of the virus.


However, Professor Medley, who chairs the SAGE committee that oversees mathematical models for the Government, said: “This disease is so nasty that we had to suppress it completely. Then we’ve kind of painted ourselves into a corner, because then the question will be what do we do now?


“We will have done three weeks of this lockdown so there’s a big decision coming up on 13 April. In broad terms are we going to continue to harm children to protect vulnerable people, or not?”

Related

Boris Johnson to remain self-isolated as he is still suffering from coronavirus symptoms

Boris Johnson to remain self-isolated as he is still suffering from coronavirus symptoms




The professor of infectious disease modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine told The Times the social impact of the lockdown was “increasingly being considered” by advisers.


He said: "The measures to control [the disease] cause harm. The principal one is economic, and I don’t mean to the economy generally, I mean to the incomes of people who rely on a continuous stream of money and their children, particularly the school closure aspect .


"There will also be actual harms in terms of mental health, in terms of domestic violence and child abuse, and in terms of food poverty.”


And he warned: "If we carry on with lockdown it buys us more time, we can get more thought put into it, but it doesn’t resolve anything - it’s a placeholder.”


Professor Medley’s warnings about the social toll of the lockdown come after claims for welfare help soared, amid fears that the closure of vast swathes of the economy will plunge the UK into a deep recession.

I end quote

Out of interest, the Government has approved a million benefit claims in the last 2 weeks! Cost to nation???
Unemployment estimates at best are 15% FOLLOWING A RECESSION OF THIS MAGNITUDE (likely to be more)
More claims from self employed, claims for private sector wages etc etc we are looking at hundreds of billions of pounds if not more.

Of interest to the face mask brigade, a quote from the England chief medical officer Dr Van Tam MBE an expert in viral infections and in particular influenza spread

Quote
"Wearing face masks in public will do nothing to slow the spread of the coronavirus, a senior medical expert has declared.

Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van Tam said there was "no evidence" that it prevented people from catching it".


He spoke out amid mounting calls for the Government to change its official advice to the public on wearing masks.


In the meantime we are mobilising 3.000 army reservists for what ever duties are needed. The MoD said it expects 3,000 to be needed for a six-month deployment, with tasks including backing up the NHS, providing specialist skills, reinforcing regional command posts and “to support the implementation of contingency plans developed by other departments”.

I apologise for using the VW forum for political conversation but I think most of us who own campervans love our freedom, ability to roam, visit different locations and engage with nature.
You are, therfore, a good source of individuals to look at the current lunacy before the country is in economic/social ruin.
If you value this freedom and you don't want to SORN your van for months, explore this subject further, it is all ther on the internet.
Note the experts above do NOT mention a vaccine because as I have said before there will be none.
The corona virus has to be lived with just like influenza group. Covid 2 was SARS, killed 3000, 5% death rate (60000 cases). Covid 12 was MERS 15% death rate (2500 cases) no intervention nationally/internationally self terminate like Ebola does. We now have Covid 19 very infectious, but no more than influenza death rate will be much, much, lower than previous coronas. Covid infects 3 people for evryone in contact , incubation period 6 days approx , influenza one individual infects one other but incubation period 2 days, guess wht? same exponential curve!

We have lived with viruses for millenia, they cannot live outside of an host for more than a few hours, kill the host and it dies! ideal situation, fit host carrier state for transmission. (95% of Covid 19 positive have mild or no (60%) symptoms. Look at Herpes group, hepatitis A,B,C etc etc. Even HIV doesn't kill you, it suppresses the immune system and you die of something else. The more virulent the virus the more self limiting it seems to be. There will be new Covids in the next 10 years, more mutated influenza beyong H1N1 H3N2 H5N1 etc. Do we react as we have done to this pandemic everytime one emerges?????
There is a balance in nature, we cannot live forever and viruses have a way of focussing on the people with medical issues/ageing not the young and fit in whom to cause mortality. I am just short of the 'at risk' age group!! I have seen many people die badly, of cancer, strokes after months,heart/lung failure (can't breathe), dementia (killing the relatives by degrees) I would welcome an infectious way out over a few days on a ventilator under sedation . Only a few drop dead with heart attacks and massive strokes.

The current pandemic will either become endemic or die off.

I really don’t know which is more likely.

But I do know that governments cannot allow victims to go untreated. They have no choice but to squish the curve, increase medical capacity or a mixture of both.
 
The problem with this approach is the massive recession/debt which will and is ensuing, it will deny the health service of future funding affecting all people, particularly children, not just the vulnerable few. I would hate to calculate the suicide rates/family breakdowns etc etc which will folllow this current mode of action if prolonged. We will all have to meet this virus and until we do no immunity will occur. The question is whether the 'cost' currently being paid by all to help the vulnerable few is reasonable! Also do we keep repeating this same approach in the future with the next mutations of corona/influenza or whatever???? It cannot be a viable proposition surely. As I said earlier, I am nearly at the 'vulnerable age' but do not support this current approach even though I could be on the receiving end of this virus' pathogenicity.
 
Sanity possibly starting at last. This is a long post but as we are going nowhere worth a read.

Professor Graham Medley, who sits on the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), told The Times that ministers must consider the potential social problems like unemployment and mental ill health caused by the lockdown when deciding its exit strategy.


It is nearly two weeks since Boris Johnson told the public to stay indoors and avoid unnecessary social contact in a bid to halt the spread of the virus.


However, Professor Medley, who chairs the SAGE committee that oversees mathematical models for the Government, said: “This disease is so nasty that we had to suppress it completely. Then we’ve kind of painted ourselves into a corner, because then the question will be what do we do now?


“We will have done three weeks of this lockdown so there’s a big decision coming up on 13 April. In broad terms are we going to continue to harm children to protect vulnerable people, or not?”

Related

Boris Johnson to remain self-isolated as he is still suffering from coronavirus symptoms

Boris Johnson to remain self-isolated as he is still suffering from coronavirus symptoms



The professor of infectious disease modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine told The Times the social impact of the lockdown was “increasingly being considered” by advisers.


He said: "The measures to control [the disease] cause harm. The principal one is economic, and I don’t mean to the economy generally, I mean to the incomes of people who rely on a continuous stream of money and their children, particularly the school closure aspect .


"There will also be actual harms in terms of mental health, in terms of domestic violence and child abuse, and in terms of food poverty.”


And he warned: "If we carry on with lockdown it buys us more time, we can get more thought put into it, but it doesn’t resolve anything - it’s a placeholder.”


Professor Medley’s warnings about the social toll of the lockdown come after claims for welfare help soared, amid fears that the closure of vast swathes of the economy will plunge the UK into a deep recession.

I end quote

Out of interest, the Government has approved a million benefit claims in the last 2 weeks! Cost to nation???
Unemployment estimates at best are 15% FOLLOWING A RECESSION OF THIS MAGNITUDE (likely to be more)
More claims from self employed, claims for private sector wages etc etc we are looking at hundreds of billions of pounds if not more.

Of interest to the face mask brigade, a quote from the England chief medical officer Dr Van Tam MBE an expert in viral infections and in particular influenza spread

Quote
"Wearing face masks in public will do nothing to slow the spread of the coronavirus, a senior medical expert has declared.

Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van Tam said there was "no evidence" that it prevented people from catching it".


He spoke out amid mounting calls for the Government to change its official advice to the public on wearing masks.


In the meantime we are mobilising 3.000 army reservists for what ever duties are needed. The MoD said it expects 3,000 to be needed for a six-month deployment, with tasks including backing up the NHS, providing specialist skills, reinforcing regional command posts and “to support the implementation of contingency plans developed by other departments”.

I apologise for using the VW forum for political conversation but I think most of us who own campervans love our freedom, ability to roam, visit different locations and engage with nature.
You are, therfore, a good source of individuals to look at the current lunacy before the country is in economic/social ruin.
If you value this freedom and you don't want to SORN your van for months, explore this subject further, it is all ther on the internet.
Note the experts above do NOT mention a vaccine because as I have said before there will be none.
The corona virus has to be lived with just like influenza group. Covid 2 was SARS, killed 3000, 5% death rate (60000 cases). Covid 12 was MERS 15% death rate (2500 cases) no intervention nationally/internationally self terminate like Ebola does. We now have Covid 19 very infectious, but no more than influenza death rate will be much, much, lower than previous coronas. Covid infects 3 people for evryone in contact , incubation period 6 days approx , influenza one individual infects one other but incubation period 2 days, guess wht? same exponential curve!

We have lived with viruses for millenia, they cannot live outside of an host for more than a few hours, kill the host and it dies! ideal situation, fit host carrier state for transmission. (95% of Covid 19 positive have mild or no (60%) symptoms. Look at Herpes group, hepatitis A,B,C etc etc. Even HIV doesn't kill you, it suppresses the immune system and you die of something else. The more virulent the virus the more self limiting it seems to be. There will be new Covids in the next 10 years, more mutated influenza beyong H1N1 H3N2 H5N1 etc. Do we react as we have done to this pandemic everytime one emerges?????
There is a balance in nature, we cannot live forever and viruses have a way of focussing on the people with medical issues/ageing not the young and fit in whom to cause mortality. I am just short of the 'at risk' age group!! I have seen many people die badly, of cancer, strokes after months,heart/lung failure (can't breathe), dementia (killing the relatives by degrees) I would welcome an infectious way out over a few days on a ventilator under sedation . Only a few drop dead with heart attacks and massive strokes.
Yawn.
 
Sanity possibly starting at last. This is a long post but as we are going nowhere worth a read.

Professor Graham Medley, who sits on the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), told The Times that ministers must consider the potential social problems like unemployment and mental ill health caused by the lockdown when deciding its exit strategy.


It is nearly two weeks since Boris Johnson told the public to stay indoors and avoid unnecessary social contact in a bid to halt the spread of the virus.


However, Professor Medley, who chairs the SAGE committee that oversees mathematical models for the Government, said: “This disease is so nasty that we had to suppress it completely. Then we’ve kind of painted ourselves into a corner, because then the question will be what do we do now?


“We will have done three weeks of this lockdown so there’s a big decision coming up on 13 April. In broad terms are we going to continue to harm children to protect vulnerable people, or not?”

Related

Boris Johnson to remain self-isolated as he is still suffering from coronavirus symptoms

Boris Johnson to remain self-isolated as he is still suffering from coronavirus symptoms



The professor of infectious disease modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine told The Times the social impact of the lockdown was “increasingly being considered” by advisers.


He said: "The measures to control [the disease] cause harm. The principal one is economic, and I don’t mean to the economy generally, I mean to the incomes of people who rely on a continuous stream of money and their children, particularly the school closure aspect .


"There will also be actual harms in terms of mental health, in terms of domestic violence and child abuse, and in terms of food poverty.”


And he warned: "If we carry on with lockdown it buys us more time, we can get more thought put into it, but it doesn’t resolve anything - it’s a placeholder.”


Professor Medley’s warnings about the social toll of the lockdown come after claims for welfare help soared, amid fears that the closure of vast swathes of the economy will plunge the UK into a deep recession.

I end quote

Out of interest, the Government has approved a million benefit claims in the last 2 weeks! Cost to nation???
Unemployment estimates at best are 15% FOLLOWING A RECESSION OF THIS MAGNITUDE (likely to be more)
More claims from self employed, claims for private sector wages etc etc we are looking at hundreds of billions of pounds if not more.

Of interest to the face mask brigade, a quote from the England chief medical officer Dr Van Tam MBE an expert in viral infections and in particular influenza spread

Quote
"Wearing face masks in public will do nothing to slow the spread of the coronavirus, a senior medical expert has declared.

Deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van Tam said there was "no evidence" that it prevented people from catching it".


He spoke out amid mounting calls for the Government to change its official advice to the public on wearing masks.


In the meantime we are mobilising 3.000 army reservists for what ever duties are needed. The MoD said it expects 3,000 to be needed for a six-month deployment, with tasks including backing up the NHS, providing specialist skills, reinforcing regional command posts and “to support the implementation of contingency plans developed by other departments”.

I apologise for using the VW forum for political conversation but I think most of us who own campervans love our freedom, ability to roam, visit different locations and engage with nature.
You are, therfore, a good source of individuals to look at the current lunacy before the country is in economic/social ruin.
If you value this freedom and you don't want to SORN your van for months, explore this subject further, it is all ther on the internet.
Note the experts above do NOT mention a vaccine because as I have said before there will be none.
The corona virus has to be lived with just like influenza group. Covid 2 was SARS, killed 3000, 5% death rate (60000 cases). Covid 12 was MERS 15% death rate (2500 cases) no intervention nationally/internationally self terminate like Ebola does. We now have Covid 19 very infectious, but no more than influenza death rate will be much, much, lower than previous coronas. Covid infects 3 people for evryone in contact , incubation period 6 days approx , influenza one individual infects one other but incubation period 2 days, guess wht? same exponential curve!

We have lived with viruses for millenia, they cannot live outside of an host for more than a few hours, kill the host and it dies! ideal situation, fit host carrier state for transmission. (95% of Covid 19 positive have mild or no (60%) symptoms. Look at Herpes group, hepatitis A,B,C etc etc. Even HIV doesn't kill you, it suppresses the immune system and you die of something else. The more virulent the virus the more self limiting it seems to be. There will be new Covids in the next 10 years, more mutated influenza beyong H1N1 H3N2 H5N1 etc. Do we react as we have done to this pandemic everytime one emerges?????
There is a balance in nature, we cannot live forever and viruses have a way of focussing on the people with medical issues/ageing not the young and fit in whom to cause mortality. I am just short of the 'at risk' age group!! I have seen many people die badly, of cancer, strokes after months,heart/lung failure (can't breathe), dementia (killing the relatives by degrees) I would welcome an infectious way out over a few days on a ventilator under sedation . Only a few drop dead with heart attacks and massive strokes.
Opinions are like arseholes everybody’s got one
 
In our house we’re taking advantage of free distance learning courses. Here’s what we learnt together last week. Click the jibjab link below: :D :bananadance2

 
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