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We are already taxed to death and business rates are killing most small businesses. So this won’t work.
The content visitors would inject cash into the local economy so your profits will reflect this. The locals would also be happy that they were not invading the towns i their huge vans. It could work. In France many popular Aires have a small pro rata fee of around maybe 8 euros for 24 hours, plus a few euros for using the services such as water and waste. They can probably be self supporting.
 
I’ll still go there, and I’ll make sure I stock up with everything I need before I do, so that I can spend as little money as possible while I’m there.
As someone said to me behavior breeds behavior ! Why would they want you !"
 
like for example providing Aires on the outskirts of places like they do in France.
How do you stop pi keys taking over?
You can't, that's probably why there are no -french type-
aires in the UK.
 
As someone said to me behavior breeds behavior ! Why would they want you !"
That’s the whole point. If they made any effort to accommodate people I would return the favour happily. As they show nothing but hostility they will not benefit from my goodwill. I’m still coming anyway.
 
How do you stop pi keys taking over?
You can't, that's probably why there are no -french type-
aires in the UK.
Provide them with sufficient transit sites in each county as councils are supposed to anyway. If you give them nowhere to go you can’t really complain about where they turn up.
 
Provide them with sufficient transit sites in each county as councils are supposed to anyway. If you give them nowhere to go you can’t really complain about where they turn up.
This year the numbers are simply too great for any small area to accommodate people on transit sites.
 
Well, it’s legal to park and sleep anywhere on the highway providing you are not causing an obstruction or littering. People are not obliged to stay on sites. This year is likely to be exceptional in terms of visitors, so it will probably calm down next year.
It is not legal to sleep in your vehicle on the highway especially in the Lake District National Park where all forms of wild camping are banned. We have just had new legislation in England which bans just parking up and sleeping in your van except where there is specific permission. It would be great to have Aires in the Uk but the huge numbers of people travelling in popular areas this year would still not find accommodation.
 
It is not legal to sleep in your vehicle on the highway especially in the Lake District National Park where all forms of wild camping are banned. We have just had new legislation in England which bans just parking up and sleeping in your van except where there is specific permission. It would be great to have Aires in the Uk but the huge numbers of people travelling in popular areas this year would still not find accommodation.
National parks are an exception. However the highways act still applies, so it’s a grey area. We have not just had new legislation in England which bans sleeping on the highway in a vehicle in England. It has not been enacted, it was out for consultation. The proposed legislation also still allows sleeping in your van on the highway without permission if you are not in group.
 
Do you remember some of these welcoming people threatening to burn the vans of full timers who had the same right to be there as anybody else?
I’ll happily contribute generously in welcoming communities I visit.
Yes I do I am a full timer but still respect the community I live in and accordingly found somewhere to stay. If people continue to invade with this poor attitude we will all be banned and where does that leave full timers.
 
Yes I do I am a full timer but still respect the community I live in and accordingly found somewhere to stay. If people continue to invade with this poor attitude we will all be banned and where does that leave full timers.
It does not matter how respectful the majority of people are. No effort is made to accommodate people. It is a tiny minority who disrespect the environment. The problem is there are too many visitors for the infrastructure. Respect works both ways. If any effort at all was made to accommodate people, rather than simply whining and calling for bans to address the lowest common denominator, then my attitude would improve.
 
It does not matter how respectful the majority of people are. No effort is made to accommodate people. It is a tiny minority who disrespect the environment. The problem is there are too many visitors for the infrastructure. Respect works both ways. If any effort at all was made to accommodate people, rather than simply whining and calling for bans to address the lowest common denominator, then my attitude would improve.
If there are too many vans for the infrastructure then don’t come. Wait for a quieter time. Improving the infrastructure in places like the Lakes will ruin the place and take away its very character. Some common sense is needed or we will all be banned.
 
If there are too many vans for the infrastructure then don’t come. Wait for a quieter time. Improving the infrastructure in places like the Lakes will ruin the place and take away its very character. Some common sense is needed or we will all be banned.
I agree with this, and wouldn’t personally visit anywhere too popular in the summer now. However, I have come to the conclusion that these bans are being implemented all over the place regardless of the how the majority behave. The popularity of campervanning is increasing and the number of locations is decreasing. The only long term solution is for these overwhelmed communities to make an effort to accommodate people. Aires don’t seem to ruin their locality. The whole thing is in a death spiral, and the constant reference to littering and toilet waste is way over stated.
I have never seen actual toilet waste, and I have never seen a cassette being emptied. I have seen litter and the best solution to this is to clear up other people’s rubbish from around your spot. It’s still a small minority who leave litter. There seems a lack of litter bins in this country compared to the continent, no excuse, but maybe a solution.
I think Motorhomes are already banned from all sea side car parks in Cornwall by the way.
 
I agree with this, and wouldn’t personally visit anywhere too popular in the summer now. However, I have come to the conclusion that these bans are being implemented all over the place regardless of the how the majority behave. The popularity of campervanning is increasing and the number of locations is decreasing. The only long term solution is for these overwhelmed communities to make an effort to accommodate people. Aires don’t seem to ruin their locality. The whole thing is in a death spiral, and the constant reference to littering and toilet waste is way over stated.
I have never seen actual toilet waste, and I have never seen a cassette being emptied. I have seen litter and the best solution to this is to clear up other people’s rubbish from around your spot. It’s still a small minority who leave litter. There seems a lack of litter bins in this country compared to the continent, no excuse, but maybe a solution.
I think Motorhomes are already banned from all sea side car parks in Cornwall by the way.
Motorhomes are banned from a lot of car parks but we seem to get away with it. I’m sorry but the behaviour I have personally witnessed since travel was allowed again has been awful not just litter and churning up grass areas but I’ve seen 2 chemical loos emptied at the roadside and loud drunken loutish behaviour late into the night which puts our whole lifestyle at risk. It’s no wonder the locals don’t know whether to love us or loathe us. This year that minority has expanded rapidly.
 
I’ll still go there, and I’ll make sure I stock up with everything I need before I do, so that I can spend as little money as possible while I’m there.
And you wonder why your not welcome!?
 
And you wonder why your not welcome!?
No I don’t. They make no effort to make me feel welcome, I make no effort to be welcomed. The countryside does not belong to the people that live there. It is not up to them to decide who is and is not welcome, it’s up to all of us.
 
No I don’t. They make no effort to make me feel welcome, I make no effort to be welcomed. The countryside does not belong to the people that live there. It is not up to them to decide who is and is not welcome, it’s up to all of us.
Sorry, you are deluded.
What goes around, comes around. If you make no effort
No I don’t. They make no effort to make me feel welcome, I make no effort to be welcomed. The countryside does not belong to the people that live there. It is not up to them to decide who is and is not welcome, it’s up to all of us.
I find that a very sad attitude.
Personally I find it much better to try and be friendly with local people, they are often friendly back.
I also try to see things from their perspective. Maybe you should try it some time?
 
I agree with this, and wouldn’t personally visit anywhere too popular in the summer now. However, I have come to the conclusion that these bans are being implemented all over the place regardless of the how the majority behave. The popularity of campervanning is increasing and the number of locations is decreasing. The only long term solution is for these overwhelmed communities to make an effort to accommodate people. Aires don’t seem to ruin their locality. The whole thing is in a death spiral, and the constant reference to littering and toilet waste is way over stated.
I have never seen actual toilet waste, and I have never seen a cassette being emptied. I have seen litter and the best solution to this is to clear up other people’s rubbish from around your spot. It’s still a small minority who leave litter. There seems a lack of litter bins in this country compared to the continent, no excuse, but maybe a solution.
I think Motorhomes are already banned from all sea side car parks in Cornwall by the way.
Sadly what I’m hearing reported around Scotland is not the same. Car parks overwhelmed (even without campers) and human excrement becoming a nuisance.
I agree, the majority of Cali owners camping wild are used to following good practice. This year has been, significantly different. Nothing anyone predicted. And so everything has changed. The volume of traffic, etc and the associated wild camping, human waste (sadly) has all increased.
It is not surprising there is a mixed reaction to holiday makers (yes, we want your money, and no, we don’t want your waste).
I think everyone needs to just calm down a bit and realise it isn’t the same as other years. If you can postpone, maybe do so. If you do visit places, make sure you DO support the local economy.
 
Sorry, you are deluded.
What goes around, comes around. If you make no effort

I find that a very sad attitude.
Personally I find it much better to try and be friendly with local people, they are often friendly back.
I also try to see things from their perspective. Maybe you should try it some time?
I also find it disappointing. What goes around comes does indeed come around. I have seen how appallingly members of the community who live in their vans have been treated recently by some of these rural communities in recent times. If the responsible members of the campervanning and motorhoming communities were well received and offered somewhere they could be welcome, I would respond in kind. No solutions except bans from all car parks, and no new facilities are ever offered, regardless of how responsible the behaviour of the vast majority are. it doesn’t matter how responsible we are it seems that locals have decided we are not welcome unless staying on a campsite. I don’t agree with this, and it doesn’t matter how responsible I am, they are not going to change their mind, and neither am I.
There has to be a way that all sides could work harmoniously, but there is never any effort made to achieve this. It is too easy to ban people, then be surprised when they react as I am.
 
Sadly what I’m hearing reported around Scotland is not the same. Car parks overwhelmed (even without campers) and human excrement becoming a nuisance.
I agree, the majority of Cali owners camping wild are used to following good practice. This year has been, significantly different. Nothing anyone predicted. And so everything has changed. The volume of traffic, etc and the associated wild camping, human waste (sadly) has all increased.
It is not surprising there is a mixed reaction to holiday makers (yes, we want your money, and no, we don’t want your waste).
I think everyone needs to just calm down a bit and realise it isn’t the same as other years. If you can postpone, maybe do so. If you do visit places, make sure you DO support the local economy.
It’s almost always hearsay. What solutions have been proposed other than banning people?
 
How about a Tourist Tax? Whenever you stay on campsite, in a hotel etc. It works elsewhere and the money can be ringfenced to improving facilities and therefore boosting local economies.
 
How about a Tourist Tax? Whenever you stay on campsite, in a hotel etc. It works elsewhere and the money can be ringfenced to improving facilities and therefore boosting local economies.
This could work.
 
No I don’t. They make no effort to make me feel welcome, I make no effort to be welcomed. The countryside does not belong to the people that live there. It is not up to them to decide who is and is not welcome, it’s up to all of us.
With reference to your last sentence, I am afraid it is, as "they live there " and you don't so only they can do the welcoming! Anyway if you make no effort to be welcomed and you spend as little as you can in a local community perhaps you would be better suited to City life ... where you will definitely be expected to contribute and be even less welcomed if you didn't !
 
With reference to your last sentence, I am afraid it is, as "they live there " and you don't so only they can do the welcoming! Anyway if you make no effort to be welcomed and you spend as little as you can in a local community perhaps you would be better suited to City life ... where you will definitely be expected to contribute and be even less welcomed if you didn't !
I am welcome to go there if I choose to. It’s not really up to the people that live there I’m afraid. Nobody in a city has threatened to set fire to the vans of innocent people recently as far as I am aware, so happy to contribute in such places.
 
You can go there for sure but whether you are welcomed by the local community is something else and largely dependent upon how you behave. If you treat local communities with respect they will generally welcome you.

Re Cities if people went to them in droves from outside in vans and just parked on the highways and disposed of their waste the way many or some do or contribute nothing of any real substance economically to the local community, as you say you do, then they would be shown the door or worse !
 
You can go there for sure but whether you are welcomed by the local community is something else and largely dependent upon how you behave. If you treat local communities with respect they will generally welcome you.

Re Cities if people went to them in droves from outside in vans and just parked on the highways and disposed of their waste the way many or some do or contribute nothing of any real substance economically to the local community, as you say you do, then they would be shown the door or worse !
The responsible CampervanBits are not welcomed by the local community regardless. Banned from all car parks. No alternative facilities provided. Threatened with arson by the village idiots. Why do you think these communities deserve any respect after the way they behave towards responsible visitors? Why should I contribute anything when they offer nothing in return. When they start offering a warm welcome (not fire) I will reciprocate.
I am parked on the highway in a city amongst several other vans. It’s a well established spot and once a week any litter around us, dropped by cars, is collected by us. The council is happy and during lockdown provided somewhere for everybody to go and park up with facilities. Compare and contrast how people were treated in your area.
 

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