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zeratul

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Finally decided and ordered (about time, our california is leaving for iceland in less than a month).
Latitude cross on my alu VW alloys. It's a compromise but I've now invested enough in this car (air sus, raised air intake, offroad tyres, ... ) :)
 
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Finally decided and ordered (about time, our california is leaving for iceland in less than a month).
Latitude cross on my alu VW alloys. It's a compromise but I've now invested enough in this car (air sus, raised air intake, offroad tyres, ... ) :)
We had exactly that on our Iceland trip last year, worked like a charm!
 
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Finally decided and ordered (about time, our california is leaving for iceland in less than a month).
Latitude cross on my alu VW alloys. It's a compromise but I've now invested enough in this car (air sus, raised air intake, offroad tyres, ... ) :)
Hi, how was your trip? I am looking for the same choice, Latitude Cross on my alu VW alloys.
What about the spare wheel? is it possible to use the bigger tire in the normal place for it or you use the normal tire as spare?

Kind regards,

Renato
 
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We have just returned from driving some good tracks in the Alps and the MLCs were excellent! no cuts or damage and really quiet on the tarmac.
 
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What about the spare wheel? is it possible to use the bigger tire in the normal place for it or you use the normal tire as spare
You can't use a smaller tyre as a spare, the whole ESP and 4Motion electronics will go berserk with different size wheels. You need a spare in the same size.

The bigger spare will not fit underneath. You can have your spare fitting adapted (expensive), or you can deflate your spare tyre. Our 225/75/16's fit underneath when deflated.



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zeratul

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Hi, how was your trip? I am looking for the same choice, Latitude Cross on my alu VW alloys.
What about the spare wheel? is it possible to use the bigger tire in the normal place for it or you use the normal tire as spare?

Kind regards,

Renato
Still in Iceland. The latitude cross did great, good traction both on rocks and in mud/sand/snow. What I like the most is that they are very tough and it makes a huge difference in the stability of the van at night. When the children who sleep upstairs turn we don't feel the van shaking as hard anymore.
Also we have not had a single flat tyre after many kms on really horrible roads.
But. A lot of small stones get stuck in the tyres - the profile isn't coarse enough (minor issue) and on some places the rubber profile is showing small tears and parts are starting to peel off. After just 2000km half of which on bad rocky roads (sprengisandur was the worst for the tyres)

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on some places the rubber profile is showing small tears and parts are starting to peel off. After just 2000km half of which on bad rocky roads (sprengisandur was the worst for the tyres)
Do you change the pressure often enough, according to the terrain? We never saw any of that on our MLC's. Still not (a year and 15.000 km further).


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Often enough, what do you mean exactly? Before the highlands lowered 3.1 to 2.0 yes, ringroad back on 3.1. Did not dare to go lower as we are very loaded. How low did you go?

There's also a difference between the unmaintained tracks and the standard f roads. The tracks are more stones and Sharp rocks where clearance is very importantant, harder to find the way but typically there is less erosion and waves in the sand that cause these very uncomfortable vibrations like we had on sprengissandur with any tyre pressure I tried.

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Before the highlands lowered 3.1 to 2.0 yes, ringroad back on 3.1. Did not dare to go lower as we are very loaded. How low did you go?

There's also a difference between the unmaintained tracks and the standard f roads.
This is what we were taught at the Seikel off-road training, and have used as a guideline since, also in Iceland:
Regular: 3.4-3.5 bar
Gravel: 3.1 bar
Mud: 2.8 bar
Sand: 2.0 bar

On the washboars tracks we used the daredevil approach: go over them at 70-80 km/h and you 'fly' over them.


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Haha yes I also use the daredevil approach. Worked really well on Kjolur but on Sprengisandur there was often a mix of washboards and deep holes in the road. Got a big bang a couple of times. That vb air suspension is wonderful though. Feels very very solid.

The regular tyre pressure is well above the standard. Why is that? Any idea? Decrease risk of punctures?

Care to share what else you've learned at this seikel training?

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The regular tyre pressure is well above the standard. Why is that? Any idea?
3.5 bar is the max pressure for our MLC 225/75/16. We find they are still very comfortable at that pressure, and they don't seem to wear unevenly (like only in the middle, like with tyres that are inflated too far).
The 'Seikel pressure table' works with percentages from your normal pressure. I gave absolute figures because you guys have the same tyres as we.

Care to share what else you've learned at this seikel training?
Have sent you a PM.


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I have the 235/55R17 and the vw official pressure for fully loaded is 2.9. It obviously has a slightly smaller air chamber. Perhaps we need to modify the values a bit

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Hi Zeratul,

I was wondering how was your experience of tyres in Iceland. I don't have a 4motion but plan to do some NON F roads but still unpaved of course and I saw that here on the forum some members did as well but destroyed their tyres so wanted to get something decent. Where did you find the 4 steel alloys + tyres for 805? Which website?
 
zeratul

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I went for Michelin tyres latitude cross that were recommended here. Standard 17inch alloys. They were fine..
 
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Did you buy a spare tyre as well? If so does it fit underneath or where did you put?

Thanks a lot
 
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Did you buy a spare tyre as well? If so does it fit underneath or where did you put?

Thanks a lot
Hi smilingit,

We use 225/70/R16. A spare wheel with this lightly larger than standard (for our van: 215/65/R16) will not fit underneath inflated, but if we let out the air it fits.

To Iceland we did bring an extra spare tyre. We had the spare wheel with tyre on the back for easy access, and the tyre underneath. The idea was that if we wrecked a tyre, we could have the extra one fitted and not wait for a new tyre to arrive. We never needed any spare wheel/tyre on our Iceland trip.

We didn't do that for our Pyrenees trip this Summer, and have regretted it. There we did wreck a tyre and fitted our spare, only to find that no-one could replace the tyre within 14 days which meant for us we stopped driving off road, because we didn't want to do that without a spare. A real shame. Next big off road trip we will take an additional tyre with us again!
 
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I did not use a different spare than the Standard one we had. Never had a to use a spare in 5 years of california.. Including 3k km in iceland
 
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Was on site on Friday and one of the guys had these on his van.

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They are 225 55 R17 - at least on mine the approved size is 235 55 r17
 

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