Coronavirus Impact

[Amarillo]

Amazing how much information you can miss represent statistically ( and the stats are a week old)

Look at the graph for deaths from other diseases - makes it look like the virus is insignificant, then cross off all the diseases that are not prevalent in the uk - ie rabies, then cross off all the diseases that are common in the uk but usually treatable or vacinated against - measles & you are suddenly left with the virus being the most likely disease to kill you.

If you were then to allow the virus to spread naturally without lock-down, the NHS would be overwhelmed & the death rates would rocket.
The current relatively low death rate is due to all patients being able to be treated, a few more cases at each hospital & we are into selecting which patients get treated.
Unfortunately people need to see that hundreds are dying in order to see that lockdown / segregation / isolation is needed & take it seriously.

I had an argument with my brother about that very chart. The most misleading of the whole lot. It gets it figure from CV19 cases since 1 January and divides by the number of days.

The figure now would be ~250 (below meningitis and above measles) and is rising exponentially.

 

[Norfolk Jim]

Watch where you go...........................

 

[TripleBee]

Here in Belgium, if they stop you while doing unnecessary rides with your car, you will most probably be fined at €4000 and/or jailtime.
So you'd better make sure you stay at home.
You only may go outside by foot or by bike for healthy measures.

 

[Karlos]

Here in Belgium, if they stop you while doing unnecessary rides with your car, you will most probably be fined at €4000 and/or jailtime.
So you'd better make sure you stay at home.
You only may go outside by foot or by bike for healthy measures.

Hi Triplebee, can you drive to a food shop?

 

[TripleBee]

Yes, you may take your car for necessary trips.
- Going to work (but you will need a document for that).
- Driving to the supermarket for food and other urgent stuff. But only in your own town. Even if your village doesn't have a specific supermarket, you have to visit the supermarkets in your town.
- Going to hospital, doctor, help for your old mother/father, ...

For all the rest: wait till it's over.
Oh, that € 4000 was for working when not allowed. The fine for driving around is less, but still...

I have been out for walking almost everyday now. On foot from home, or just a mile or 2 with the bike and then go walking. That is no problem. But you can only walk, run, bike with home members. If you are 2 or more, police can show up asking if you are all of the same family that is living under the same roof. If not, you can get a fine!

They take things seriously, and I am glad they do. It's one of the only ways to try to stop the virus spreading like crazy.

 

[Karlos]

Yes, you may take your car for necessary trips.
- Going to work (but you will need a document for that).
- Driving to the supermarket for food and other urgent stuff. But only in your own town. Even if your village doesn't have a specific supermarket, you have to visit the supermarkets in your town.
- Going to hospital, doctor, help for your old mother/father, ...

For all the rest: wait till it's over.
Oh, that € 4000 was for working when not allowed. The fine for driving around is less, but still...

I have been out for walking almost everyday now. On foot from home, or just a mile or 2 with the bike and then go walking. That is no problem. But you can only walk, run, bike with home members. If you are 2 or more, police can show up asking if you are all of the same family that is living under the same roof. If not, you can get a fine!

They take things seriously, and I am glad they do. It's one of the only ways to try to stop the virus spreading like crazy.

Thankyou for confirming and stay safe.

 

[Scoobz1]

Amazing how much information you can miss represent statistically ( and the stats are a week old)

I know they are dated as the update date was at the top but hopefully it will be updated on a weekly basis. Actually it has just been updated now. Plus the bottom of the chart contains all the dates for the various changes and data sources.

Look at the graph for deaths from other diseases - makes it look like the virus is insignificant, then cross off all the diseases that are not prevalent in the uk - ie rabies, then cross off all the diseases that are common in the uk but usually treatable or vacinated against - measles & you are suddenly left with the virus being the most likely disease to kill you.

How does it do this ? It just shows the relative measures in as much as they are known. It isn't a UK chart nor purports to be one as it is looking at pandemics (by definition a world phenomena). The other diseases are also worth including because although they are not in the UK some of them could have well been if they were not contained earlier and or vaccinations weren't available.

Many of the more deadly diseases (% who die) which seems to be your main issue, "makes it look like the virus is insignificant", is because the chart shows two things - how likely you are to die if you get it on one axis (where Corona isn't anywhere near as deadly as Bird flu, Ebola, etc. ) and how contagious it is on the other (where Corona is a lot more contagious than than some of the more deadly diseases such as Birdflu, Ebola, etc.). Both these things are worth knowing and reporting separately. It shows how important containment / self isolating is in terms of managing Corona to prevent its spread and allowing time for a vaccines and effective tests to be developed and how likely someone is currently to die should they catch it (not very compared to some of the more deadly viruses but many times more than the common cold and Norovirus )

It also goes on to show how the death rate etc. differs by country - which is extremely varied - and how many cases and what the trajectories are for the different countries ... If you are looking for a chart that shows which disease is most likely to kill you in the UK (today) then you need to be looking at something different but that could well change in the future because although some of those more deadly viruses were successfully halted in the past (by containment and vaccines) that is not to say they won't be in the future ! So a bit of enlightenment might be useful!

Including diseases such as measles and small pox is also important as mentioned earlier as it demonstrates how important vaccines are or can be if made widely available. Clearly in some parts of the world basic vaccines are not widely available and many, many people continue to die as a result.

If you were then to allow the virus to spread naturally without lock-down, the NHS would be overwhelmed & the death rates would rocket.
The current relatively low death rate is due to all patients being able to be treated, a few more cases at each hospital & we are into selecting which patients get treated.
Unfortunately people need to see that hundreds are dying in order to see that lockdown / segregation / isolation is needed & take it seriously.

True ... that is partly why the graphs show such large differences in country's death and infection rates and their trajectories .

 

[Amarillo]

Amazing how much information you can miss represent statistically ( and the stats are a week old)

The charts have now been updated. It shows the UK doing rather well compared to other countries on the trend line (only Singapore, Japan, South Korea and the Netherlands doing better).

The controversial chart comparing COVID-19 to other forms of death has been removed completely.

COVID-19 #CoronaVirus Infographic Datapack — Information is Beautiful

Updated daily, now with global vaccination stats

informationisbeautiful.net

 

[Joker 1299]

B; definitely B.

 

[Joker 1299]

Every Thursday night! Come on, let’s do it.

 

[WelshGas]

Coronavirus: How to understand the death toll

The rising number of coronavirus deaths is distressing. But what are the figures actually telling us?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[kave]

So Fergusson previously recommended 18+ months lockdown is now saying uk will peak in two weeks? From 500.000 dead down to 20.000.

J-IDEA’s Neil Ferguson tells MPs lockdown can help NHS manage coronavirus | Imperial News | Imperial College London

Imperial’s Neil Ferguson, Director of J-IDEA, has told MPs that the current UK lockdown could keep the coronavirus outbreak at manageable levels.

www.imperial.ac.uk

 

[westfalia]

Suppressing it is one thing, has anyone
seen an exit strategy yet, now that we are all
in quarantine.

 

[Ting Tong]

 

[Sunshine&Snow]

I'm (fairly obsessively!) following worldometer, which is really useful incase anyone hasn't found it yet:

Coronavirus Update (Live): 135,943,021 Cases and 2,938,561 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

 

[Amarillo]

I'm (fairly obsessively!) following worldometer, which is really useful incase anyone hasn't found it yet:

Coronavirus Update (Live): 135,943,021 Cases and 2,938,561 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I'm obsessively following that too.

The key figure appears to be the "new cases" and that rate of increase/decrease. Italy's "new cases" are now falling each day, Spain's is still rising. The US's rise is almost meteoric.

 

[willwander]

Suppressing it is one thing, has anyone
seen an exit strategy yet, now that we are all
in quarantine.

Using the latest government modelling, how long until we’re all dead?

 

[Velma's Dad]

Using the latest government modelling, how long until we’re all dead?

In the long run, we all are. So for now enjoy the small things in life. Like a small whisky and soda.

(Mrs VD told me the lock-down would be a great opportunity to finish some things around the house. So far this week I've finished a bottle of port and two boxes of chocs.)

 

[GSX1300R]

Using the latest government modelling, how long until we’re all dead?

I can guarantee that everyone reading this will be dead in 50 years...some much much less...SO for heavens sake make the most of what time you have..

 

[GrannyJen]

The other thing I'm hearing, especially from my age group, after 12 weeks assuming the peak is over we are all safe and can go back to just where we were.

Unless we get a vaccine then all of us could get this virus, just the "when" will be more spread out. I'm looking at three in my immediate family that are vulnerable and seem to think they are safe just by sitting on their butts for 12 weeks, smoking, eating junk food, taking pills for blood pressure and diabetes, continuing a couch potato lifestyle.

The fact that screams out loud with this virus is that those with metabolic diseases are those that are particularly vulnerable. I've given up suggesting to the smoking, over-eating lard-arse sloths in my family that this is a warning to change lifestyle and change it now.

 

[T6 CFO]

The other thing I'm hearing, especially from my age group, after 12 weeks assuming the peak is over we are all safe and can go back to just where we were.

Unless we get a vaccine then all of us could get this virus, just the "when" will be more spread out. I'm looking at three in my immediate family that are vulnerable and seem to think they are safe just by sitting on their butts for 12 weeks, smoking, eating junk food, taking pills for blood pressure and diabetes, continuing a couch potato lifestyle.

The fact that screams out loud with this virus is that those with metabolic diseases are those that are particularly vulnerable. I've given up suggesting to the smoking, over-eating lard-arse sloths in my family that this is a warning to change lifestyle and change it now.

I agree. Now is the time, if you can, to change and improve your odds.
Friend of mine smokes and is worried as hell.
“Nothing I can do, will just have to seriously lock down. Luckily I’ve been picking up a supply of tobacco”

I pointed out the obvious but it fell on deaf ears. “Far to stressed to give up now”

I was a smoker and know how difficult it is.

I did just eat a chocolate biscuit but they’re all gone now and I can’t get anymore


Mike

 

[Velma's Dad]

You can get another family member to shop for you...

 

[WelshGas]

 

[Amarillo]

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The only people on the official coronavirus Chinese death count are those who had been tested positive for COVID-19. As test kits were in such short supply during the Wuhan outbreak, it is really of little surprise that the actual suspected death toll from COVID-19 related illness will be much, much, higher.

Of much greater concern to me is the fate of those migrant workers in Wuhan, none of which would have had Wuhan hukou, and therefore no healthcare rights in the city. Once beds were in short supply, I have little doubt that priority would be given to those with Wuhan hukou.

 

[WelshGas]