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tanne

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i wonder how the keys work for theft-prevention

is the chip needed to start the engine ?

( and would a spare key without the chip open the door ? )
 
Legin

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Yes to both your questions. Manual spare key has a chip in it unless you cut your own.
 
Wiggly Woo

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i wonder how the keys work for theft-prevention

is the chip needed to start the engine ?

( and would a spare key without the chip open the door ? )
Yes x 2 again. A spare key without the chip (or so-called surf key) will open the drivers door but it activates the alarm. The key won’t start the engine.
 
tanne

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so (perhaps a stupid question) , but why do people have e bearlock ? is the engine so easy to start without key ?
 
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so (perhaps a stupid question) , but why do people have e bearlock ? is the engine so easy to start without key ?
A very pertinent question. All the thefts of Californias i have read about, the keys were obtained by some means.
I suppose the vehicle could be winched onto a tow truck without keys, but that would be a professional team with a target in mind.
 
Wiggly Woo

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A very pertinent question. All the thefts of Californias i have read about, the keys were obtained by some means.
Yes and if they steal your keys they’ll probably also steal your Bear Lock key. An autowatch ghost immobiliser is better as no keys needed.
 
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Yes and if they steal your keys they’ll probably also steal your Bear Lock key. An autowatch ghost immobiliser is better as no keys needed.
The other benefit of the Ghost is that you could hide a spare set of keys inside the van as they are pretty useless to anyone else. This with a surf key on your person or hidden outside the van, also stops you being accidentally locked out.
 
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Yes and if they steal your keys they’ll probably also steal your Bear Lock key. An autowatch ghost immobiliser is better as no keys needed.
Just the threat of physical force, unfortunately.
 
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Just the threat of physical force, unfortunately.
Highly unlightly...
Easier to just move onto an easier target.
They always opt for the easy option.
 
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Highly unlightly...
Easier to just move onto an easier target.
They always opt for the easy option.
How will they Know to move onto an easier target? Only after they have got the keys.
 
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How will they Know to move onto an easier target? Only after they have got the keys.
Where they sit on the drive, trying to figure out why the vehicle won’t start...?
Electrical issue, starter fault it’s a Volkswagen could be anything...:rolleyes:

Yep, I imagine after a minute or two, they will quickly do a runner and move onto the next victim.
 
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Where they sit on the drive, trying to figure out why the vehicle won’t start...?
Electrical issue, starter fault it’s a Volkswagen could be anything...:rolleyes:

Yep, I imagine after a minute or two, they will quickly do a runner and move onto the next victim.
If it’s a professional team, they have the keys and probably a low loader. They can sort it out later. And please don’t say the Autowatch system is unbreakable. Nothing is unbreakable and besides they probably make more stripping down for spares etc:.
Someone who was very clever invented the Autowatch and there is probably someone equally as clever working on disabling it easily.
 
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If it’s a professional team, they have the keys and probably a low loader. They can sort it out later. And please don’t say the Autowatch system is unbreakable. Nothing is unbreakable and besides they probably make more stripping down for spares etc:.
Someone who was very clever invented the Autowatch and there is probably someone equally as clever working on disabling it easily.
It’s really easy to break if you can find it, simply snip it’s power lead. It will slow them them down. They don’t need keys if they are going to lift it onto a low-loader anyway.
 
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You can’t plan against everything.
But you can make it extremely difficult.

Im Happy it’s insured and has a Ghost fitted.
Done the most I can to prevent theft.
Especially as I surf a lot and I know it will still be in the carpark when I return from the Beach.
 
Karlos

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Most vehicles are stolen with keys usually from a burglary, so we now have an ignition key each for our cali on our daily drivers keys so if the scum bags break in whilst we are out there are no keys to steal and if they wanted to take the van on a recovery type truck this would entail blocking the road so I presume they would not bother as it would very quickly attract attention I also have the extra steering lock key with me and park with the front wheels on full lock. You just have to do what you can.
 
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A friend recently had his T5.1 kombi stolen, he claims they didn’t steal the keys and it was driven away (according to security camera) I’m not sure I’m entirely convinced by his story, but there you go.

From what I’ve read, remote key cloning a T6 to allow it to be driven is unlikely, but who knows, maybe there is a new trick out there?
 
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A friend recently had his T5.1 kombi stolen, he claims they didn’t steal the keys and it was driven away (according to security camera) I’m not sure I’m entirely convinced by his story, but there you go.

From what I’ve read, remote key cloning a T6 to allow it to be driven is unlikely, but who knows, maybe there is a new trick out there?
12 months ago a lady who lives opposite us had her Audi A1 stolen without the physical keys being taken. Sunday 6pm, 2 guys sat on our garden wall, the indicator lights flash on the A1, they walk over the road, jump in and drive off. All done in less than 1 minute. It was all recorded on our Nest camera. Ridiculously easy for them with a scanner thing. I think the A1 still has an ignition fire the keys but a quick Google shows you can get some master key for that bit.

Ever since then our keys are always inside an RFID pouch, £5 each.
 
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12 months ago a lady who lives opposite us had her Audi A1 stolen without the physical keys being taken. Sunday 6pm, 2 guys sat on our garden wall, the indicator lights flash on the A1, they walk over the road, jump in and drive off. All done in less than 1 minute. It was all recorded on our Nest camera. Ridiculously easy for them with a scanner thing. I think the A1 still has an ignition fire the keys but a quick Google shows you can get some master key for that bit.

Ever since then our keys are always inside an RFID pouch, £5 each.
I think some Audi A1’s have keyless entry and a start button, there is a known risk with transponder/key cloning with this setup.

T6’s don’t have keyless entry which is why I remain skeptical of my friends story.
 
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I too would be sceptical apart from this afternoon my brother has just had his 11 year old Mercedes Sprinter stolen. He is a tree surgeon, the keys were in his pocket, and the van had completely gone. Vanished. Don't ask me how they did it. Immobiliser was on, everything locked. With that age of vehicle it certainly isn't keyless entry or a start/stop button.

I don't know what to suggest to keep your vehicle safe. He has a wife and 3 kids to feed and his source of income has just been taken away. There are some real low lifes out there.
 
willwander

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I too would be sceptical apart from this afternoon my brother has just had his 11 year old Mercedes Sprinter stolen. He is a tree surgeon, the keys were in his pocket, and the van had completely gone. Vanished. Don't ask me how they did it. Immobiliser was on, everything locked. With that age of vehicle it certainly isn't keyless entry or a start/stop button.

I don't know what to suggest to keep your vehicle safe. He has a wife and 3 kids to feed and his source of income has just been taken away. There are some real low lifes out there.
Sorry to hear that. A quick search on sprinters brought up this...quite an interesting read.
Piston heads - Mercedes sprinter stolen in 3 minutes

I spent some time researching today...and ended up in some very dark places on the internet.
Rough guide seems to be:
- break into van
- access OBD port, back of dash, fuses etc.
- plug in laptop or dongle
- code a transponder and use a key blank (or other trickery?)
- activate a tracker blocker
- drive off

Whether this approach is feasible on a transporter, I don't know.
Anyway booked a fitting for a Ghost 2. I'm hoping it will be a while before someone cracks that too.
 
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