New Engine?

[VW Guru]

I can sleep easy now just need to see what junk they have added to get it down to 198 bhp.

Nothing just mapping to meet emission (NOx) regulation. The engine has just been de tuned.!

 

[Legin]

OK, Has the mapping softened the torque delivery ?

 

[VW Guru]

So why are some CFCA engines not affected.? Is it driving style?

It’s a mix of things really the quality of the fuel like supermarket fuel seems to be have a negative effect. basically the more Nox the engine produces the harder the egr valve works, the cooler is not always in use, it depends on the temperature and load of the engine. the gas is directed by a vacuum valve under the cooler as to which way it travels once the egr valve starts to operate. The hotter the gas the more gas flows through the cooler eroding the aluminum so high engine loads create more NOx causing higher flow and temperatures in the cooler unit.

 

[VW Guru]

OK, Has the mapping softened the torque delivery ?

Not that we have been made aware of but I’ve not yet seen the torque graphs of the new engines

 

[cpjb@btinternet.com]

What is the highest mileage a T5 180 has covered without hitting this problem?

I think WG said 75k for his - can anyone out there beat this?

 

[PeteS]

Hi
Sorry to hear about the engine. I was just looking on the internet and I came across germanenginespecialist based in Kent. It might be worth calling them and seeing what they offer. I have not used them but I wonder if anyone else on here has.
Regards
Pete

 

[WelshGas]

What is the highest mileage a T5 180 has covered without hitting this problem?

I think WG said 75k for his - can anyone out there beat this?

There are a few on the Facebook Group well in excess of 100,000 miles with insignificant Oil Use - 0.5L/10,000, enquiring about changing the EGR.

 

[pjm-84]

Yep I checked out my EGR cooler as well. Dated 29th April 2015 so will fire off an email tomorrow to my dealer.

I also went with an additional oil change at 3years / 10,000 mile interval since the last.

 

[reserves]

Yep I checked out my EGR cooler as well. Dated 29th April 2015 so will fire off an email tomorrow to my dealer.

I also went with an additional oil change at 3years / 10,000 mile interval since the last.

What is this in relation to? Do you have an oil consumption issue?

 

[cpjb@btinternet.com]

WG - is their thinking that by changing the EGR before experiencing the oil consumption issue that it will delay/stop the oil consumption issue, even if the engine has racked up 100k+ miles with "faulty" EGR?

I guess none of this is proven yet , just a risk reduction exercise?

 

[VW Guru]

WG - is their thinking that by changing the EGR before experiencing the oil consumption issue that it will delay/stop the oil consumption issue, even if the engine has racked up 100k+ miles with "faulty" EGR?

I guess none of this is proven yet , just a risk reduction exercise?

The internals off the egr fail over time so if you have the older egr cooler and you get it changed you will reduce the risk. Changing the oil will also help reduce the risk. it has been proven that the egr is the failure.

 

[Pro moochers]

Has anyone had a quote for a non VW company to replace the engine?
I was tempted to buy a 2010 180bhp Cali until I heard of this issue.
I’m thinking it may be worth trying to negotiate the buying price to pay for the engine swap


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[soulstyledevon]

The internals off the egr fail over time so if you have the older egr cooler and you get it changed you will reduce the risk. Changing the oil will also help reduce the risk. it has been proven that the egr is the failure.

VW Guru it’s great having you around.
We have had lots of speculation over the years with all sorts of technical stuff.
But your input recently has been great at resolving and figuring out certain things.
You posts have been very informative.

 

[PeteS]

I would look at VEGE there website seems very good. Many years ago I needed an air cooled engine for my VW Beetle and I asked the parts department at my local dealer and he told me all the VW exchange engines came on VEGE pallets. They come with a European warranty which I think is 2 years worth a look on there website.

 

[Rob H]

Ask the garage to check/ eliminate that there is not an excessive oil leak from either of the turbos (bearing oils seals), they can do this by checking inside the intercooler for higher than normal amounts of engine oil.
Hope it turns out to be a more economical fix than a replacement engine. GSF were advertising, for your 'garage of choice' to fit, replacement engines, check a supply price with them against Main Agents.
Keep the forum posted of your solution it will help others.

 

[zcsccg1]

Any idea of how to find manufacturing date? Model Year seems to be the tenth character of the VIN, but I can't see any reference to date of manufacturing.

Check the label on the seatbelt fabric at the base mounting point. Should give MM/YY of build

Same for any vehicle

 

[flying banana]

it's not very environmentally friendly is it all this egr stuff to reduce nox . you end up doing long journeys to buy a pint of milk and throw your engine in the bin at 50k. brilliant.

 

[Jukebox70]

My Cali 2015 58000 miles 180 bi turbo has just failed an oil consumption test, I have been told by the dealership it needs a new engine. I have the all in warranty and have full vw service history. It would seem by reading this thread that it's common for the engine to need replacing around this milage. I wish I was told when I bought this new. It seems vw knew very well that this was likely to happen. Now what?

 

[soulstyledevon]

No first hand experience, but these guys have a good reputation on the T6 forum for bi-turbo engine rebuilds.
Sorry to hear you’re having these issues. Keep us posted on which ever route you go.

Home - Retro Resus

www.retroresus.com

 

[reserves]

No first hand experience, but these guys have a good reputation on the T6 forum for bi-turbo engine rebuilds.
Sorry to hear you’re having these issues. Keep us posted on which ever route you go.

Home - Retro Resus

www.retroresus.com

I spoke to these people, they fitted 56 new 180bhp engines last year, so they definitely have experience. Sounded very knowledgeable

 

[soulstyledevon]

I spoke to these people, they fitted 56 new 180bhp engines last year, so they definitely have experience. Sounded very knowledgeable

It’s shocking one garage has fitted so many.
If I still had my Cali, I would ask them to remove the questionable items and remap. Even if it cost a couple of grand, it sounds like it could be a worthwhile investment…

 

[reserves]

It’s shocking one garage has fitted so many.
If I still had my Cali, I would ask them to remove the questionable items and remap. Even if it cost a couple of grand, it sounds like it could be a worthwhile investment…

VW are a disgrace, buck should stop with them.

 

[2into1]

My Cali 2015 58000 miles 180 bi turbo has just failed an oil consumption test,

For anyone left confused by those who argue that the problem only impacts 2010/2012 models, note the date of the latest engine off to the scrap yard.

 

[reserves]

For anyone left confused by those who argue that the problem only impacts 2010/2012 models, note the date of the latest engine off to the scrap yard.

Yep, sad to see isn’t it.

I’m on the look out for a used Cali but I won’t touch any T5 180bhp, it’s just not worth the risk to me (was even offered one at £20k)

It upsets me when I see an T5.1 180bhp advertised second hand and no mention of the issue or if the owner has done any remedial work, knowing that any new owner is potentially walking into a money pit.

Of course, I also sympathise with the owners, it’s not their fault.

Which is why it’s so upsetting the way VW have handled this matter.

Even California Chris was showing off a secondhand 2015 180bhp on his channel the other day with no mention of the potential issue. Surely VW dealerships are aware of it.

Even worse some T6 204bhp engines have started to see similar issues.

The old adage, keeps it simple seems to apply here, driving my T5.1 140bhp and 150bhp T6 was good enough for me in terms of power.

 

[Resfeber]

My Cali 2015 58000 miles 180 bi turbo has just failed an oil consumption test, I have been told by the dealership it needs a new engine. I have the all in warranty and have full vw service history. It would seem by reading this thread that it's common for the engine to need replacing around this milage. I wish I was told when I bought this new. It seems vw knew very well that this was likely to happen. Now what?

Please can you clarify
1) whether your all in warranty is current on your vehicle (it can be taken out on a vehicle up to 6 years old and if accepted is covered for 2 years)
2) As you have a full service history with VW has the engine replacement been accepted under the terms of your all in warranty/service plan.

Good call and justification for taking it out if you have!