New T6.1 order delays

[Dean Kennett]

Hi Dean good question....as we orders these wheels we didn't get a spare wheel just the air compressor and fluid to seal flats...not a big fan of this so will probably get a spare wheel added when I get back. I have already checked under the boot and there is space for a spare but I imagine will not be the same tyre size. There is no clamp for locking but expect that it's because I have not got the spare option, previous vans have had the spare locked in place. I'll update when I get back with the spare installed. As said by many they are worth the wait, good luck with getting yours.

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thanks for this.

 

[CaliAzur]

8 months to the day from ordering to collection. Today is the day I have "unwatched " this particular thread. Can't leave it alone

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Omg it’s gorgeous, Ascot Grey like mine that should be on its way to me anytime. Well worth the wait, enjoy. The Ascot Grey reminds me of the ‘Pastel White’ VW Combis Available late 60s, gorgeous. Enjoy!!!

 

[Dodge1311]

thanks for this.

18-inch wheels do not fit in the spare cradle, which is why its not an option to configure.

 

[Dean Kennett]

right - that figures. maybe I'll sit on it instead....thanks again

 

[CampingCarnegie]

Update from dealer today - factory shutdown has already started this week so now not expecting to see any vans leaving the factory until after 23/8

 

[Chris_BLG_Ocean]

Update from dealer today - factory shutdown has already started this week so now not expecting to see any vans leaving the factory until after 23/8

This isn’t the news I was hoping for


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[CampingCarnegie]

This isn’t the news I was hoping for


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No me neither I’m afraid so means my camping hol at end of August is in a tent…again!

 

[Seasider]

This isn’t the news I was hoping for


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No me neither! Still, it is at least good to have some information even if it’s not what we wanted to hear.

 

[Fletchi]

My dealer was told there was a chip shortage. I had a build week of 21st June but not built before the shut down. Hopefully they will have some chips by the time they reopen. More time to try and clear my garage.

 

[calibusje]

This is how they do it at Porsche... : fake chips to compensate for shortages.
Porsche is going to equip its models with fake chips to limit the delivery backlog and to cope with the shortage of semiconductors. This shortage affects the entire automotive sector. Porsche enjoys a privileged status and is given priority in the supply of electronic chips within the Volkswagen group, but even then the manufacturer still has to deal with a lack of electronic parts. The brand has therefore decided to replace certain chips with counterfeit parts in order to be able to deliver as many cars as possible on time.
Porsche chooses the path of lesser evil. It prefers to supply cars with counterfeit chips – coupled with secondary functions – to replace them later than to keep its customers waiting and in danger of missing out on sales. That placebo is presented as a kind of “miracle solution”.
Recently, Porsche CEO Oliver Blume told the German newspaper Stuttgarter Zeitung that the brand builds “models with fake chips” but that these cars would be “updated” with real, functional chips once stocks are back to normal.
What should we think of that?
That the brand can still supply cars with fake chips shows that modern cars are chock full of electronics, but that they often relate to non-essential functions. Maybe simplify?
Extract from Autogids.be
What do you think?
Greetings
Calibusje

 

[two-saabs]

This is how they do it at Porsche... : fake chips to compensate for shortages.
Porsche is going to equip its models with fake chips to limit the delivery backlog and to cope with the shortage of semiconductors. This shortage affects the entire automotive sector. Porsche enjoys a privileged status and is given priority in the supply of electronic chips within the Volkswagen group, but even then the manufacturer still has to deal with a lack of electronic parts. The brand has therefore decided to replace certain chips with counterfeit parts in order to be able to deliver as many cars as possible on time.
Porsche chooses the path of lesser evil. It prefers to supply cars with counterfeit chips – coupled with secondary functions – to replace them later than to keep its customers waiting and in danger of missing out on sales. That placebo is presented as a kind of “miracle solution”.
Recently, Porsche CEO Oliver Blume told the German newspaper Stuttgarter Zeitung that the brand builds “models with fake chips” but that these cars would be “updated” with real, functional chips once stocks are back to normal.
What should we think of that?
That the brand can still supply cars with fake chips shows that modern cars are chock full of electronics, but that they often relate to non-essential functions. Maybe simplify?
Extract from Autogids.be
What do you think?
Greetings
Calibusje

Interesting, I'm going to google around on this, I'd think there's a misunderstanding between "fake", "counterfeit" and "dummy".

- fake / counterfeit = breaking the law, cannot be
- dummy = does nothing but fills a space, functionality is disabled e.g. sat nav (not a bad option if you want your Porsche to arrive on time and can live without non-essential functionality)

 

[two-saabs]

Interesting, I'm going to google around on this, I'd think there's a misunderstanding between "fake", "counterfeit" and "dummy".

- fake / counterfeit = breaking the law, cannot be
- dummy = does nothing but fills a space, functionality is disabled e.g. sat nav (not a bad option if you want your Porsche to arrive on time and can live without non-essential functionality)

Porsche: nepchips om tekorten op te vangen | AutoGids

Porsche gaat zijn modellen uitrusten met nepchips om de leveringsachterstand te beperken en het hoofd te bieden aan het tekort aan halfgeleiders.

www.autogids.be

But they really do say fake, very strange... googling continues!

 

[two-saabs]

Porsche: nepchips om tekorten op te vangen | AutoGids

Porsche gaat zijn modellen uitrusten met nepchips om de leveringsachterstand te beperken en het hoofd te bieden aan het tekort aan halfgeleiders.

www.autogids.be

But they really do say fake, very strange... googling continues!

Porsche will provide cars with 'fake chips' to reduce delivery times | Car - Netherlands News Live

This is reported by the German newspaper Stuttgarter Zeitung. In it, Porsche CEO Oliver Blume explains that the brand builds models with fake chips. Later, these cars would be updated with real, functional chips. This means that Porsche will deliver cars that do not function completely, but the...

netherlandsnewslive.com

"Later, these cars would be updated with real, functional chips."

Ok so its not fake as in "Guccci belt special price", its fake as in dummy = it doesn't do anything

Porsche gaat auto's voorzien van ‘nepchips’ om levertijden terug te dringen

Sportwagenfabrikant Porsche gaat zijn modellen uitrusten met nepchips om de leveringsachterstand te beperken die wordt veroorzaakt door het tekort aan halfgeleiders.

www.bd.nl

 

[andyinluton]

Porsche will provide cars with 'fake chips' to reduce delivery times | Car - Netherlands News Live

This is reported by the German newspaper Stuttgarter Zeitung. In it, Porsche CEO Oliver Blume explains that the brand builds models with fake chips. Later, these cars would be updated with real, functional chips. This means that Porsche will deliver cars that do not function completely, but the...

netherlandsnewslive.com

"Later, these cars would be updated with real, functional chips."

Ok so its not fake as in "Guccci belt special price", its fake as in dummy = it doesn't do anything

Porsche gaat auto's voorzien van ‘nepchips’ om levertijden terug te dringen

Sportwagenfabrikant Porsche gaat zijn modellen uitrusten met nepchips om de leveringsachterstand te beperken die wordt veroorzaakt door het tekort aan halfgeleiders.

www.bd.nl

I think VW are ahead of Porsche, they've been fitting chips that don't do anything to the overhead control panel for a while now.

 

[Bumble The Van]

I think VW are ahead of Porsche, they've been fitting chips that don't do anything to the overhead control panel for a while now.

ha ha ha

 

[calibusje]

Interesting, I'm going to google around on this, I'd think there's a misunderstanding between "fake", "counterfeit" and "dummy".

- fake / counterfeit = breaking the law, cannot be
- dummy = does nothing but fills a space, functionality is disabled e.g. sat nav (not a bad option if you want your Porsche to arrive on time and can live without non-essential functionality)

Porsche: nepchips om tekorten op te vangen | AutoGids

Porsche gaat zijn modellen uitrusten met nepchips om de leveringsachterstand te beperken en het hoofd te bieden aan het tekort aan halfgeleiders.

www.autogids.be

But they really do say fake, very strange... googling continues!

indeed, I translated correct like it says in the article in Dutch

 

[rayman2]

Fake chip does not mean it’s not functioning. We many times get option to buy chips from broker market that have shady background. Most of the time these chips are from bad batch. For example you can buy CPU that has half the cache memory due to dust particle on wafer ( manufacturer can disable part of functionality in manufacturing ). This is still fully functioning but would not pass qualification for sale. We also had examples where transistors are fully working and look ok, but under X-ray you can see there is less material inside than is should be. This are all considered fake chips by supply chain.
If manufacturing yield is 80% and the rest 20% is just less powerful but functioning one could buy that and adapt the software.

 

[two-saabs]

Fake chip does not mean it’s not functioning. We many times get option to buy chips from broker market that have shady background. Most of the time these chips are from bad batch. For example you can buy CPU that has half the cache memory due to dust particle on wafer ( manufacturer can disable part of functionality in manufacturing ). This is still fully functioning but would not pass qualification for sale. We also had examples where transistors are fully working and look ok, but under X-ray you can see there is less material inside than is should be. This are all considered fake chips by supply chain.
If manufacturing yield is 80% and the rest 20% is just less powerful but functioning one could buy that and adapt the software.

That's what I'm trying to figure out, are these grade b chips? I can't believe it. One thing if your laptop runs a little hot, its another thing if your 1.5 ton 100k 911 blows up / dies / whatever

 

[rayman2]

That's what I'm trying to figure out, are these grade b chips? I can't believe it. One thing if your laptop runs a little hot, its another thing if your 1.5 ton 100k 911 blows up / dies / whatever

They won’t replace safety relevant chips. Those would never pass ASIL certification. But if you A/C crashes once every 4 weeks it’s not so critical ( in terms of safety, I agree with you it’s annoying and bad customer experience )

 

[two-saabs]

They won’t replace safety relevant chips. Those would never pass ASIL certification. But if you A/C crashes once every 4 weeks it’s not so critical ( in terms of safety, I agree with you it’s annoying and bad customer experience )

On one hand it's really weird, but then thinking about it, as long as it's clear what doesn't work (and clearly is non-essential), I'd take the early (non delayed) slot and just not use whatever it is e.g. sat nav / reverse camera

 

[CaliAzur]

18-inch wheels do not fit in the spare cradle, which is why its not an option to configure.

That’s one of the reasons why I decided not to go for alloys, the space cradle for the spare wheel. We just went for the standard wheels which are not alloys here in France. I took the 4MO with the diff block as we plan to try to take our Cali out onto forest roads. I wanted the spare wheel just in case. I am actually tempted to change the tyres for BF Goodrich heavy duty AWD tyres, so if anyone has any experience with those on a Cali 4 MO, I’d be interested to know. That said the 18’ alloys look amazing!

 

[WelshGas]

right - that figures. maybe I'll sit on it instead....thanks again

You can fit the spare wheel cradle and get a 17" wheel with correct sized tyre. Same overall diameter as your 18" wheels + tyre and use as a space-saving get you home/to the garage wheel. Limited speed/distance.

 

[Chris_BLG_Ocean]

MSN

Nothing we didn't know but the article says delays could last months......

 

[Hetti]

Im happy to report our Dec 12th ordered Ocean is on the Seine Highway ship due to dock in Sheerness at 2300 tonight. Hopefully the final stages of an 8 month wait…really can’t wait now!!!

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

Im happy to report our Dec 12th ordered Ocean is on the Seine Highway ship due to dock in Sheerness at 2300 tonight. Hopefully the final stages of an 8 month wait…really can’t wait now!!!

There it is