Wuhan and Coronavirus.

[kave]

and meanwhile in the US:

President Trump Just Suspended Travel from Europe for 30 Days... He also said Trade and Cargo Was Prohibited - Update

In an Oval Office address to the United States about the coronavirus pandemic, President Trump announced a ban on all travel from Europe to the United States for a period...

gcaptain.com

But he made sure all countries where he have resorts are open for travel. This man is so mad on so many levels.

 

[Amarillo]

Bit daft really, what's to stop Europeans just jumping on Eurostar and flying from the UK?

Maybe US entry requirement to have a UK not EU passport?

 

[westfalia]

They are setting up a drive through testing station in our town
next week.
I expect the figures will shoot up then.

 

[Calimili]

They are setting up a drive through testing station in our town
next week.
I expect the figures will shoot up then.

Where's that, if I may ask?

 

[westfalia]

Where's that, if I may ask?

A bit south of Hessen.

 

[clarinetbcn]

clarinetbcn said:
One important difference between SARS and Coronavirus is that Coronavirus is most highly contagious before symptoms show, so quarantine when symptoms show is useless in stopping the spread.

Coronavirus is most contagious before and during the first week of symptoms
As major efforts to contain the COVID-19 pandemic go into effect around the globe, researchers are figuring out just when patients are most contagious.

www.sciencenews.org
Click to expand...

Curios coincidence, the study on high infection rates before showing symptoms was done on Webasto employees, where a breakout occurred.

All nine patients are employees of Webasto, an auto supplier in Stockdorf. They caught the virus from a male coworker, who became known as Patient 1. He originally got the virus from a business colleague from Shanghai who came to Germany in January for a series of meetings (SN: 1/31/20). Both Patient 1 and his Shanghai colleague transmitted the virus before developing symptoms, the first documented cases of asymptomatic spread.

 

[WelshGas]

Curios coincidence, the study on high infection rates before showing symptoms was done on Webasto employees, where a breakout occurred.

All nine patients are employees of Webasto, an auto supplier in Stockdorf. They caught the virus from a male coworker, who became known as Patient 1. He originally got the virus from a business colleague from Shanghai who came to Germany in January for a series of meetings (SN: 1/31/20). Both Patient 1 and his Shanghai colleague transmitted the virus before developing symptoms, the first documented cases of asymptomatic spread.

The problem now is that the infection is at large in the community. People are infected who have zero to extremely mild symptoms. They are shedding the virus without knowing they are ill, so no one knows they are infected until they actually have symptoms..

 

[Ting Tong]

Interesting random statistical simulation showing why moderate social distancing vs doing nothing works. Stay safe everyone.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

 

[soulstyledevon]

Im not sure about closing down schools.
Surely if children have the best chance against the infection and the mildest effects from it. Exposing them and allowing them to mix and recover builds a strong herd immunity.
Plus we know where they are, together in one place.
Release them from school and they mix more with the population...?

 

[WelshGas]

Im not sure about closing down schools.
Surely if children have the best chance against the infection and the mildest effects from it. Exposing them and allowing them to mix and recover builds a strong herd immunity.
Plus we know where they are, together in one place.
Release them from school and they mix more with the population...?

And who will be looking after them while parents are at work? Grand parents are often involved.

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Major Cruise Lines Suspend Voyages After President’s Request

By Jonathan Levin (Bloomberg) — President Donald Trump said the country’s biggest cruise lines will suspend operations for a month at his request, marking the most sweeping response yet by the...

gcaptain.com

 

[Ch1pbutty]

unfortunate vessel name!:

Seafarer onboard Corona bulk carrier hit by Covid-19 - Splash247

South Africa has quarantined its first cargo vessel, a dry bulk carrier with the unfortunate name of , after one sailor contracted Covid-19 and another crewmember has gone into self-isolation. The ship is being held off port limits outside of Cape Town, as well as a cruise ship, as it emerged...

splash247.com

 

[Sp0_0k]

The problem now is that the infection is at large in the community. People are infected who have zero to extremely mild symptoms. They are shedding the virus without knowing they are ill, so no one knows they are infected until they actually have symptoms..

That's why our government has finally made the first and single most useful mandatory rule of wearing face protection. There were numerous cries in the news that all those covers don't make sense to protect yourself from virus but only effective on sick people. Finally, a smart thing hit people's mind that the majority have no idea they might be already sick and spreading.
So we have mandatory face protection in all public places and thank god they finally explained it doesn't have to be freaking certified medical gear, that nobody can get at even x50. price You can make something at home. More important to change and disinfect it frequently.
My wife has sawn a dozen of face masks yesterday that we share as many locals do, while government bragging they have spent millions ordering masks (NOW) from China.
And most importantly the "social barrier" was finally broken. A week ago people were looking at us like aliens when we covered faces and most were shy to wear anything. Now most people do and this is a new "normal"

 

[Sp0_0k]

Im not sure about closing down schools.
Surely if children have the best chance against the infection and the mildest effects from it. Exposing them and allowing them to mix and recover builds a strong herd immunity.
Plus we know where they are, together in one place.
Release them from school and they mix more with the population...?

I was sure most got it clear by now that we aren't trying to prevent the spread completely, save more people etc.
We are working on the most essential goal of flattening the curve. And closing down schools is very effective in SLOWING down the spread.

 

[Velma's Dad]

I was sure most got it clear by now that we aren't trying to prevent the spread completely, save more people etc.
We are working on the most essential goal of flattening the curve. And closing down schools is very effective in SLOWING down the spread.

It might be but we don't actually know for certain that it would be, as the children (who may already be carrying the virus) may then be in greater contact with other household members, including older people who are more vulnerable.

 

[GrannyJen]

Closing schools is a no-win for the government but they have signalled it is imminent.

All those health care professionals that now cannot leave their kids with Granny and Grandad ...... really no-win.

 

[altvic]

With so many folk at home and using the internet, will the system cope? Or will home bandwidth struggle?

 

[WelshGas]

That's why our government has finally made the first and single most useful mandatory rule of wearing face protection. There were numerous cries in the news that all those covers don't make sense to protect yourself from virus but only effective on sick people. Finally, a smart thing hit people's mind that the majority have no idea they might be already sick and spreading.
So we have mandatory face protection in all public places and thank god they finally explained it doesn't have to be freaking certified medical gear, that nobody can get at even x50. price You can make something at home. More important to change and disinfect it frequently.
My wife has sawn a dozen of face masks yesterday that we share as many locals do, while government bragging they have spent millions ordering masks (NOW) from China.
And most importantly the "social barrier" was finally broken. A week ago people were looking at us like aliens when we covered faces and most were shy to wear anything. Now most people do and this is a new "normal"

I spent 40+ years wearing the surgical facemarks you see people wearing, and I know perfectly well what they are capable of doing. They are nothing like the personal protection masks medical and nursing staff are wearing and those are capable of protecting the wearer. The others are not. But if it makes people happy then carry on.

 

[Moakesy]

With so many folk at home and using the internet, will the system cope? Or will home bandwidth struggle?

This is something of a over simplification, but broadly speaking there are two sides to this...

The link from home to website.....so this is your broadband line itself. If, like me, you pay for super fast speeds you may notice slower performance to what you are used to. This is because they will throttle your speeds and share bandwidth. Most people should be ok though.

The second part of this is site you are connecting to. This could be something like BBC News, or your own work servers that your employer uses. If there is an increase in the number of people hitting the same site, it's possible that the server itself struggles to keep up. I should imagine the BBC News website is seeing a much bigger hit right now, but they will have enough kit in place to cope. Your workplace may not though. If they are used to say, 25%, of people working from home, but now they have 80% of people working from home, then their hardware may be struggling right now. This is because when you are sitting in the office, you connect to work systems through one lot of hardware, but when connecting from home you will use different hardware to get to the system. As I said before, this remote access hardware may be being overworked, so people may find they have issues.


All-in-all, the broadband link should be ok unless you live in remote areas that already have rubbish connections.

Sites like Netflix, Amazon and BBC News should be ok as they are designed to beef themselves up during high demand.

Home shopping sites from supermarkets may be working harder than normal, but again should be ok.

Performance of your work systems will very much depend on what investment your company has made in the past.

 

[Sp0_0k]

It might be but we don't actually know for certain that it would be, as the children (who may already be carrying the virus) may then be in greater contact with other household members, including older people who are more vulnerable.

Well at least here, children come home after school every day and spend time with parents. So they are in contact anyway.
The issue is they spread it fast in schools and carry home.

 

[Sp0_0k]

I spent 40+ years wearing the surgical facemarks you see people wearing, and I know perfectly well what they are capable of doing.

Sounds reasonable, you know those work from your great experience. How does that make other ways of blocking completely ineffective though? You didn't practice with nonprofessional protection consistently to get that data, right?
There is no even respirator with 100% protection. We are only talking about reducing chances, even sneezing into your elbow is better than throwing stuff around.

 

[clarinetbcn]

Sounds reasonable, you know those work from your great experience. How does that make other ways of blocking completely ineffective though? You didn't practice with nonprofessional protection consistently to get that data, right?
There is no even respirator with 100% protection. We are only talking about reducing chances, even sneezing into your elbow is better than throwing stuff around.

It looks like WG was in such a rush to make a dismissive remark that he didn’t really read your post. You were talking about masks helping to protect other people, not the wearer. This has also finally gotten through to people here: if you want your grocer and chemist to stay well and be there for you, wear a mask to help protect them. This is because you may be contagious and not yet have symptoms.

 

[soulstyledevon]

It looks like WG was in such a rush to make a dismissive remark that he didn’t really read your post. You were talking about masks helping to protect other people, not the wearer. This has also finally gotten through to people here: if you want your grocer and chemist to stay well and be there for you, wear a mask to help protect them. This is because you may be contagious and not yet have symptoms.

Does a scarf work...?

 

[soulstyledevon]

I was sure most got it clear by now that we aren't trying to prevent the spread completely, save more people etc.
We are working on the most essential goal of flattening the curve. And closing down schools is very effective in SLOWING down the spread.

Agree
We are learning day by day.
Lets close this sing down and go into full lockdown for at least 3 weeks.

But most importantly we need to test, test and test...!!!
We have no chance of controlling this out break by guessing who may have it.

 

[clarinetbcn]

Does a scarf work...?

The message we are getting here is that it isn’t all or nothing, some form of mask is better that none to help stop being a spreader, and limiting trips outside to food or medicine. For the time being there are no more masks available.