Wuhan and Coronavirus.

[Amarillo]

Does a scarf work...?

Underpants

 

[soulstyledevon]

Underpants

My G-Straps will never cover my cake hole...

 

[WelshGas]

It looks like WG was in such a rush to make a dismissive remark that he didn’t really read your post. You were talking about masks helping to protect other people, not the wearer. This has also finally gotten through to people here: if you want your grocer and chemist to stay well and be there for you, wear a mask to help protect them. This is because you may be contagious and not yet have symptoms.

Incorrect, as usual.
The simple face masks are just paper. You don’t breath through it, you breath around it because it is not form fitted to the wearers face, unlike the correct Personal Protection Mask that is fitted to individuals and has a micro particulate filter.

With the simple masks it takes some time and training for students and junior doctors to use them in a protective way, to protect the person they are talking to. Every time they breathe, cough or sneeze they must look straight at the person in front. However , anyone standing behind is at risk as any contaminants will be projected backwards predominantly.
Surgeons and others who carry out medical procedures are taught to look directly at the operation site when coughing or sneezing so the wound doesn’t get contaminated, just anyone behind them.
So if you wish to wear those masks, fine, but do not believe you are protecting yourself from getting the infection or protecting others if you are infected.
Don’t forget the virus can also gain entry via the eye mucosal surface, so you should be wearing full goggles.

 

[clarinetbcn]

Incorrect, as usual.
The simple face masks are just paper. You don’t breath through it, you breath around it because it is not form fitted to the wearers face, unlike the correct Personal Protection Mask that is fitted to individuals and has a micro particulate filter.

With the simple masks it takes some time and training for students and junior doctors to use them in a protective way, to protect the person they are talking to. Every time they breathe, cough or sneeze they must look straight at the person in front. However , anyone standing behind is at risk as any contaminants will be projected backwards predominantly.
Surgeons and others who carry out medical procedures are taught to look directly at the operation site when coughing or sneezing so the wound doesn’t get contaminated, just anyone behind them.
So if you wish to wear those masks, fine, but do not believe you are protecting yourself from getting the infection or protecting others if you are infected.
Don’t forget the virus can also gain entry via the eye mucosal surface, so you should be wearing full goggles.

Already covered in post #175 above.

 

[Velma's Dad]

I'm guessing the speculation and debate about the actual value or otherwise of improvised or 'informally worn' masks will run and run, and probably not be well understood even by the end of this pandemic.

I say that because I can't imagine how you could properly test the efficacy of such measures within a population during the outbreak: you could hardly design an ethical and objective trial, as far as I can see.

That said, there seem to be big differences of medical opinion about masks in Asia versus in Europe/North America.

 

[Norfolk Jim]

Sounds like we should all be wearing scuba gear!

 

[WelshGas]

Already covered in post #175 above.

And still incorrect, as usual.

 

[clarinetbcn]

New data, new policy: why UK's coronavirus strategy changed

New quarantine and social distancing ‘suppression’ measures are based on modelling by Imperial College to move beyond ‘mitigation’

www.theguardian.com

 

[WelshGas]

New data, new policy: why UK's coronavirus strategy changed

New quarantine and social distancing ‘suppression’ measures are based on modelling by Imperial College to move beyond ‘mitigation’

www.theguardian.com

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Things change, but we won’t have armed police on the streets.

But as long as I can keep you amused in your isolation then it’s all worthwhile.

 

[clarinetbcn]

Horton said nothing in the science had changed since January. “The UK’s best scientists have known since that first report from China that Covid-19 was a lethal illness. Yet they did too little, too late,” he said.

UK failures over Covid-19 will increase death toll, says leading doctor

Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of the Lancet, says UK ignored clear warning signs from China

www.theguardian.com

“Somewhere there has been a collective failure among politicians and perhaps even government experts to recognise the signals that Chinese and Italian scientists were sending.”

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Hospital Ship USNS Comfort Being Deployed to New York

By Keshia Clukey (Bloomberg) — The Navy hospital ship Comfort is being dispatched to New York City, Governor Andrew Cuomo told reporters in Albany on Wednesday. The floating hospital, which has...

gcaptain.com

 

[Amarillo]

Things change, but we won’t have armed police on the streets.

I don’t get this comment.

We already have armed police on the street. I regularly see them at London terminus stations, and have no doubt that other cities have them at major stations. Also at airports. And the Met police have several vehicles with an armoury locked in the boot patrolling London’s streets 24 hours a day.

Other police forces also have armed response vehicles, but I don’t know if they patrol the streets 24 hours a day as London’s ones do.

Armed response vehicle - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Sp0_0k]

Things change, but we won’t have armed police on the streets.

I will just put it here. You'll be surprised how soon it comes.

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Rumour running today was Army on London streets from Monday. I said it was bullsh&t.

 

[WelshGas]

I don’t get this comment.

We already have armed police on the street. I regularly see them at London terminus stations, and have no doubt that other cities have them at major stations. Also at airports. And the Met police have several vehicles with an armoury locked in the boot patrolling London’s streets 24 hours a day.

Other police forces also have armed response vehicles, but I don’t know if they patrol the streets 24 hours a day as London’s ones do.

Armed response vehicle - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I believe British Police, in general, are not armed with lethal weapons. In fact the majority are not armed apart from those guarding specific infrastructure or high value terrorist targets and the armed response units. Certainly none of the police I’ve seen on routine patrol are carrying holstered handguns.
But I will be led by your expert knowledge.

 

[WelshGas]

I will just put it here. You'll be surprised how soon it comes.

Not really, but I do know that 90% of UK police are not firearm trained.

 

[Velma's Dad]

Hospital Ship USNS Comfort Being Deployed to New York

By Keshia Clukey (Bloomberg) — The Navy hospital ship Comfort is being dispatched to New York City, Governor Andrew Cuomo told reporters in Albany on Wednesday. The floating hospital, which has...

gcaptain.com

I spent a week on that ship a couple of years ago. It's effing ginormous, was converted from an oil tanker in the 1980s. It has at least ten operating theatres if I remember rightly and dozens of ICU beds although probably not suitable for Covid cases I'd guess. And as a result of its very "gender balanced" crew, it's known as The Love Boat.

 

[Amarillo]

I believe British Police, in general, are not armed with lethal weapons. In fact the majority are not armed apart from those guarding specific infrastructure or high value terrorist targets and the armed response units. Certainly none of the police I’ve seen on routine patrol are carrying holstered handguns.
But I will be led by your expert knowledge.

The point I was making is that we do have armed police on our streets, not whether the majority of individual officers are unarmed. On the latter point I agree with you. On the former point I won’t bother to disagree, I’ll just say you are wrong. There are armed officers routinely patrolling our streets.

 

[WelshGas]

The point I was making is that we do have armed police on our streets, not whether the majority of individual officers are unarmed. On the latter point I agree with you. On the former point I won’t bother to disagree, I’ll just say you are wrong. There are armed officers routinely patrolling our streets.

If you wish to be pedantic about it, Yes we do have small numbers of armed police officers on the streets in very specialised/specified rolls. But the vast majority are not.
So as you always wish to be correct - Yes you are correct we do have Armed Police.

 

[westfalia]

I can't work out whether i would like to be in a pub with you
3, listening whilst you argue about anything and everything till
you're blue in the face.

It could be quite entertaining.

 

[Velma's Dad]

WG and Amarillo could have an argument about what colour the sky is.

If you live in London (as Amarillo does, and WG doesn't) it would be quite likely that your perception is that the police are routinely armed. That's because of the regular deployment of armed officers in counter-terrorism 'visibility' patrols many high traffic locations, notably transport hubs. When I go into London I see them almost every time, because I'm passing through those key places, as are many other people.

It's quite correct to say that the great majority of police officers don't carry guns, but relatively few of the unarmed ones 'patrol', whereas a large proportion of the armed ones do, in London anyway.

 

[TripleBee]

I can't work out whether i would like to be in a pub with you
3, listening whilst you argue about anything and everything till
you're blue in the face.

It could be quite entertaining.

For one time it's not you and me arguing!

 

[WelshGas]

I can't work out whether i would like to be in a pub with you
3, listening whilst you argue about anything and everything till
you're blue in the face.

It could be quite entertaining.

More likely a Wine Bar or Tapist Bar in Greenwich.

 

[westfalia]

More likely a Wine Bar or Tapist Bar in Greenwich.

I was thinking more like a Tap room if they have them anymore,
where when you go in you can have a bit of a warning as to whether
to go into the other room.

Like - Don't go in there, they're arguing about fkn peanuts now.

The 3rd one is clarinet in barcelona, he seems a bit of a heavyweight
at not letting things go.

 

[clarinetbcn]

Hmmmm, ok...
Tapist, would that be a Spanish chef employed by the Vatican?