All Season Tyres poll

[Californication69]

Those look the business! What size are they?

Tyre size is
Comforser CF1100
255/65/r17 102 T M&S but no 3 peak’s.
So will put on my Michelin Winter Contact TS870P
255/45/r18 103H for the Vinter

 

[Californication69]

Hello BigJohn,
You are correct in that this "subject has generally been done to death".

IMO for what it's worth, beyond establishing the capabilities and limitations of winter, summer and all season tyres, which are all well documented by specialists on youtube amongst other places, asking forum members for advise on this subject based on their experience, isn't going to ellicit any detailed objective recommendations. That's because everyone will have different driving styles, will have used their vehicles in different ways and accordingly will have subjected their tyres to different conditions throughout the life of their tyres.

For example, one owner may have driven their vehicle like a demon for limited miles with incorrect tyre pressures and without avoiding pot holes or other potential causes of damage such as curbs and subsequently reports their tyres having failed early. Other factors such as vehicle loading, prolonged exposure to sunlight, condition of shock absorbers, tracking, age of the tyres etc will all play their part in reducing a tyres life. Another owner may have done galictic miles on one set of the same tyres without issue. Yes, I know that tyre manufacturers strive to ensure that their products can cope with all styles of driving and do what they can to make their tyres robust to counter these aforementioned life reducing factors. Some will be better at it than others.

I suggest that punctures are really down to luck as I doubt if there is that much difference in the abilities of the various brands of regular road tyres and types to resist a really sharp object like a nail.

For further guidance on which brand and type give the best performance under differing road/weather conditions, you'd be better off checking the many available objective tests that have been published.

TyreReviews.com are very good.

 

[Cali Phillip]

TyreReviews.com are very good.

I agree, very good information source.

 

[2into1]

Tyre size is
Comforser CF1100
255/65/r17

The Cali is geared for 235 55 17 so yours represent a 9.6% difference in circumference. What made you go for that size?

 

[Californication69]

The Cali is geared for 235 55 17 so yours represent a 9.6% difference in circumference. What made you go for that size?

You’ve just reminded me to go and measure how high the awning is from the floor.
Thank you !
It used to be 1.98 when on the 18” Palmerstons.

The reason… they were the only set of Tomahawk Kato’s in the UK.
I asked the company in Mansfield

WheelWorx Wheels and Tyres

Alloy Wheel and Tyre Specialists

www.wheelworx.net

If I could buy only the wheels, and not the tyres. They declined and said the deal was for the set.
And tbh, really happy with the ride quality, the noise is half as much as BFG’s, the Speedo is perfect to Waze, so win win.

 

[BigJohn]

Hello BigJohn,
You are correct in that this "subject has generally been done to death".

IMO for what it's worth, beyond establishing the capabilities and limitations of winter, summer and all season tyres, which are all well documented by specialists on youtube amongst other places, asking forum members for advise on this subject based on their experience, isn't going to ellicit any detailed objective recommendations. That's because everyone will have different driving styles, will have used their vehicles in different ways and accordingly will have subjected their tyres to different conditions throughout the life of their tyres.

For example, one owner may have driven their vehicle like a demon for limited miles with incorrect tyre pressures and without avoiding pot holes or other potential causes of damage such as curbs and subsequently reports their tyres having failed early. Other factors such as vehicle loading, prolonged exposure to sunlight, condition of shock absorbers, tracking, age of the tyres etc will all play their part in reducing a tyres life. Another owner may have done galictic miles on one set of the same tyres without issue. Yes, I know that tyre manufacturers strive to ensure that their products can cope with all styles of driving and do what they can to make their tyres robust to counter these aforementioned life reducing factors. Some will be better at it than others.

I suggest that punctures are really down to luck as I doubt if there is that much difference in the abilities of the various brands of regular road tyres and types to resist a really sharp object like a nail.

For further guidance on which brand and type give the best performance under differing road/weather conditions, you'd be better off checking the many available objective tests that have been published.

Thanks Borris, agreed that driving style, loading, expectations and experience will have a massive impact on an individual's assessment of the tyres, and I have been through a number of the roundups on tyrereviews.com which are excellent.

There's little subjectively in punctures though - you get them or you don't, and yes some people will be driving in more risky conditions, but the number of replies here that say 'I got punctures on the Bridgestones and haven't on the Michelins' is quite significant I think and points to a definite trend.

 

[Californication69]

You’ve just reminded me to go and measure how high the awning is from the floor.
Thank you !
It used to be 1.98 when on the 18” Palmerstons.

The reason… they were the only set of Tomahawk Kato’s in the UK.
I asked the company in Mansfield

WheelWorx Wheels and Tyres

Alloy Wheel and Tyre Specialists

www.wheelworx.net

If I could buy only the wheels, and not the tyres. They declined and said the deal was for the set.
And tbh, really happy with the ride quality, the noise is half as much as BFG’s, the Speedo is perfect to Waze, so win win.

1995mm now.
So still under 2m

 

[BigJohn]

Thanks for your input everyone, some great info. We've decided to make the change to the Michelins before we tackle the NC500 next month.

John

 

[Jools]

I've had Cross Climate SUVs for 25k miles. I've been pleased with them but they are getting loud as they approach change time. So much in fact that I've had the wheel bearings checked, but they can't find any fault, so I'm hoping a change of tyres will change things.

Noise with wear is a problem I think with Cross Climate. I also thought wheel bearings but the excellent technician said “saw tooth” tyre wear was the problem. I’m sure it can happen with other tyres but it’s happened in 2 sets of CC s for me.

 

[chris151151]

Hi all,

I know the subject has generally been done to death, but I am still struggling with tyre choice on our T6.1. We got it with a set of 235/55 R17 (103) Bridgestone Weather Control A005 which I was initially very happy with, but when one popped after just 4500 miles, whilst doing 70 on the M25 we’ve kinda lost confidence in them! Reading here, it seems a few people have had issues with them popping or getting sidewall punctures. Obviously everyone is going to pick up the occasional nail - nothing you can do about that.

I found a second hand set of wheels with 215/60, 109/107T higher load rated tyres to give them a go, in an attempt to get something a bit more robust, but the difference in ride was immediate - noticeably noisier and rough, so they came off again (must get them up for sale…).

Now I’m trying to work out if I should switch them all over before doing the NC500 in Sept. The main alternative I’m looking at is the Michelin CrossClimate 2. The Hankook Kinergy 4S2 looks good as well but isn’t Three Peak Mountain Snowflake rated - so no good for European winter driving which I think would be short-sighted, especially as snow chains don’t officially fit this tyre size.

So, a quick poll please, if you have direct experience of 235/55 R17 all season tyres, which ones are they, how long did/have you had them and have you had any issues with punctures? If there's no difference then I'll save some money and keep my fingers crossed!

Thanks,

John & Amanda

Am I missing something? The new factory fitted Contis did nearly 50k miles in 2.5 yrs, replaced with same all round. Two worn close to limit,two with MOT failing damage. Is thete a case for different tyres next time?

 

[Aubisque]

Short answer No. If you live somewhere with guaranteed snow each winter for a few months, and it is a daily driver then having 2 sets of tyres and a storage facility is worthwhile, But in the UK hardly worth the hassle as although you might be mobile the vast majority won't be so 4 season tyres are more than adequate. The CCs cope very well with UK weather. I've used them in May in Norway in the far north on snow covered roads without any problems in -10c snow blizzards.
Unless travelling to countries or areas that insist on Winter tyres I would stick with CCs personally.

CC’s and Goodyear Vectors etc are 3PMSF rated - meets winter tyre standard - so for non Nordic countries would be fine if they insist on winter tyres.

Nordic is different.

 

[PeterCX5ocean]

Hi all,

I know the subject has generally been done to death, but I am still struggling with tyre choice on our T6.1. We got it with a set of 235/55 R17 (103) Bridgestone Weather Control A005 which I was initially very happy with, but when one popped after just 4500 miles, whilst doing 70 on the M25 we’ve kinda lost confidence in them! Reading here, it seems a few people have had issues with them popping or getting sidewall punctures. Obviously everyone is going to pick up the occasional nail - nothing you can do about that.

I found a second hand set of wheels with 215/60, 109/107T higher load rated tyres to give them a go, in an attempt to get something a bit more robust, but the difference in ride was immediate - noticeably noisier and rough, so they came off again (must get them up for sale…).

Now I’m trying to work out if I should switch them all over before doing the NC500 in Sept. The main alternative I’m looking at is the Michelin CrossClimate 2. The Hankook Kinergy 4S2 looks good as well but isn’t Three Peak Mountain Snowflake rated - so no good for European winter driving which I think would be short-sighted, especially as snow chains don’t officially fit this tyre size.

So, a quick poll please, if you have direct experience of 235/55 R17 all season tyres, which ones are they, how long did/have you had them and have you had any issues with punctures? If there's no difference then I'll save some money and keep my fingers crossed!

Thanks,

John & Amanda

Have the Michelin CC2s on our T6 4 motion. No problems including in snow all over Scotland and 4 trips to Europe over the last year doing 22,000 miles and still going strong with at least 3.5mm all round.

 

[JPCL]

Hi all,

I know the subject has generally been done to death, but I am still struggling with tyre choice on our T6.1. We got it with a set of 235/55 R17 (103) Bridgestone Weather Control A005 which I was initially very happy with, but when one popped after just 4500 miles, whilst doing 70 on the M25 we’ve kinda lost confidence in them! Reading here, it seems a few people have had issues with them popping or getting sidewall punctures. Obviously everyone is going to pick up the occasional nail - nothing you can do about that.

I found a second hand set of wheels with 215/60, 109/107T higher load rated tyres to give them a go, in an attempt to get something a bit more robust, but the difference in ride was immediate - noticeably noisier and rough, so they came off again (must get them up for sale…).

Now I’m trying to work out if I should switch them all over before doing the NC500 in Sept. The main alternative I’m looking at is the Michelin CrossClimate 2. The Hankook Kinergy 4S2 looks good as well but isn’t Three Peak Mountain Snowflake rated - so no good for European winter driving which I think would be short-sighted, especially as snow chains don’t officially fit this tyre size.

So, a quick poll please, if you have direct experience of 235/55 R17 all season tyres, which ones are they, how long did/have you had them and have you had any issues with punctures? If there's no difference then I'll save some money and keep my fingers crossed!

Thanks,

John & Amanda

I've got Firestone all seasons to replace the mixed bag on the cali when i bought it two years ago went through the Carngorms last New Year no problems in the snow / blizzard conditions, just back from France 30'c no problems they are an suv extra load version and they perform well in snow,wet and hot dry conditions. I would buy them again.

 

[swisspace]

I switched to michelin cross NOT climate and would highly recommend them, great grip and reasonably quiet, however they are not as good in the winter as proper winter tyres probably ok for uk winters with chains as backup but I live in switzerland so the winter tyres go on in the winter https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/tyres/michelin-latitude-cross

 

[swisspace]

I switched to michelin cross NOT climate and would highly recommend them, great grip and reasonably quiet, however they are not as good in the winter as proper winter tyres probably ok for uk winters with chains as backup but I live in switzerland so the winter tyres go on in the winter https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/tyres/michelin-latitude-cross

I forgot to mention i had the cross climates but they were useless in the snow and wore quite quickly

 

[BristolCali]

Has anyone tried the Bridgestone Duravis R660? I believe Duravis is a proper commercial vehicle range as opposed to the A005 which is cars and SUV’s. There is an all season version also.

 

[HectorPascal]

Invested in a set of Mich. Cc2 Agilis (the slightly more robust van version) and I wish I hadn’t. So far three attempts to get one of the wheels balanced and still not right. A bit noisier but look and feel robust. I will be not be a repeat buyer.

 

[sbmcd]

Are the Michelin CC2s as good as having separate summer and winter tyres?

I use CC2's as my all seasons, great tyres, but when the snow comes I put my full winter tyres on, much more aggressive tread but since they are 110 rated the side walls are much stiffer and give a very harsh ride, they are much noisier too.

 

[RevPhil]

Hi all,

I know the subject has generally been done to death, but I am still struggling with tyre choice on our T6.1. We got it with a set of 235/55 R17 (103) Bridgestone Weather Control A005 which I was initially very happy with, but when one popped after just 4500 miles, whilst doing 70 on the M25 we’ve kinda lost confidence in them! Reading here, it seems a few people have had issues with them popping or getting sidewall punctures. Obviously everyone is going to pick up the occasional nail - nothing you can do about that.

I found a second hand set of wheels with 215/60, 109/107T higher load rated tyres to give them a go, in an attempt to get something a bit more robust, but the difference in ride was immediate - noticeably noisier and rough, so they came off again (must get them up for sale…).

Now I’m trying to work out if I should switch them all over before doing the NC500 in Sept. The main alternative I’m looking at is the Michelin CrossClimate 2. The Hankook Kinergy 4S2 looks good as well but isn’t Three Peak Mountain Snowflake rated - so no good for European winter driving which I think would be short-sighted, especially as snow chains don’t officially fit this tyre size.

So, a quick poll please, if you have direct experience of 235/55 R17 all season tyres, which ones are they, how long did/have you had them and have you had any issues with punctures? If there's no difference then I'll save some money and keep my fingers crossed!

Thanks,

John & Amanda

Michelin cross climate 2 - no issues

 

[RevPhil]

Invested in a set of Mich. Cc2 Agilis (the slightly more robust van version) and I wish I hadn’t. So far three attempts to get one of the wheels balanced and still not right. A bit noisier but look and feel robust. I will be not be a repeat buyer.

You need the heavier load ones - haven’t got the van here but garage sorted it - something like 103 not 93 in the code on the side!

 

[DavidofHook]

I have Michelin X on ours. It is 11 years old T5.1 and I changed to Michelins as soon as the originals were worn. They are van tyres and very good And probably quieter.
Many years ago in our T4 in France with non Michelins when we had bulging side walls on both rear tyres At the same time. This imposed a certain amount of stress on the holiday!
Used Michelins ever since.

 

[BikerGran]

I've recently fitted Goodyear Vector all seasons to my 2007 Cali, mostly because I camp on grass in the UK summer, which tends to mean wet grass and mud. They're excellent on wet grass, haven't had experience of deep mud but they're great on muddy tracks. What has surprised me is that they're really great on both dry and wet roads. I was never happy with the VW recommended Hankooks, wheel spinning when taking off into traffic, tendency to slide if braking hard on wet roads, and just feeling a bit uncertain when cornering. The new tyres have fixed all that and the van now feels really planted in all situations!

 

[royalv2]

Michelin Agilis Cross Climates here (‘van version’). 10000 miles so far and very pleased with them (no issues with balancing). 215 not 235 though:

 

[Roger Boeken]

Tyre size is
Comforser CF1100
255/65/r17 102 T M&S but no 3 peak’s.
So will put on my Michelin Winter Contact TS870P
255/45/r18 103H for the Vinter

speed index is wrong for T6.1 4m 204 hp, max speed is more than 190 km/h, also doubt load index. These would not pass MOT in Belgium.

 

[Californication69]

speed index is wrong for T6.1 4m 204 hp, max speed is more than 190 km/h, also doubt load index. These would not pass MOT in Belgium.

Which tyres are you talking about ?
There are two tyres in my post.

Good Info for Belgium if you live there.
My Bio shows I live in the UK.