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Why is that, do you mean it’s low or high ?Plenty of alarm bells ringing with that ad...
Why is that, do you mean it’s low or high ?Plenty of alarm bells ringing with that ad...
Well, wrong details, whatsapp me as uk phone off - probably me being over-cautious. Deleted my comment now anyway. Maybe should not have commented without viewing the ad proper.Why is that, do you mean it’s low or high ?
Yes Dealers will always get what they can wont they. My thoughts earlier where about paid prices rather than asking prices and vans in the age range of 3 to 8 years. Nearly new will most likely continue to have prices distorted higher by the long time it takes to order a brand new one.Well if it has started I cannot see it. If I were to update my Beach to a 6.1 Camper, there is a choice of precisely one on Autotrader. The cost for this one year old van is 30% more than I paid for a 3 month old Beach a year and a half ago.. and it doesn’t have the extras that ours came with like the parking heater.
Are VW dealers adding fuel to the over-pricing fire?
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The trouble is that the house your neighbour is looking to move too, has probably gone up by same percentage.My neighbour has put his house, almost identical to mine, on the market for over £100k more than what I paid for mine just six months ago !!! He’s had a lot of interest judging by the number of viewers. I will be amazed if he achieves the price but also not surprised as house prices and availability are crazy and unpredictable at the moment.
Pretty much my comment in #8Yes Dealers will always get what they can wont they. My thoughts earlier where about paid prices rather than asking prices and vans in the age range of 3 to 8 years. Nearly new will most likely continue to have prices distorted higher by the long time it takes to order a brand new one.
Hey. Looks like the Beach we ordered. Oh no. No parking heater, no panoramic view, no upgraded alloys, etc. For £65,995!? Ridiculous price. I’ll wait for ours.Well if it has started I cannot see it. If I were to update my Beach to a 6.1 Camper, there is a choice of precisely one on Autotrader. The cost for this one year old van is 30% more than I paid for a 3 month old Beach a year and a half ago.. and it doesn’t have the extras that ours came with like the parking heater.
Are VW dealers adding fuel to the over-pricing fire?
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But the return to something like normality regarding the availability of cheap foreign sunny holidays, coupled with the high diesel prices, can only serve to reduce the demand and therefore prices of camper vans generally. The Cali, whilst still the benchmark by which all others are judged, will not be exempt from this supply-and-demand fuelled price readjustment.This is a perennial.
Every year Cali prices are going to crash. Every year VW issue a price increase that is going to price them out of the market. Every year the latest rotting roof saga will mean every owner of a Cali will be left with a valueless asset.
Every year someone predicts doom and gloom for the California.
Every year people want a Cali. Every year the Cali proves itself as the most accomplished small camper on the planet. Every year it's appeal goes up. Every year its value goes up.
I've seen this for ten years now.
But the return to something like normality regarding the availability of cheap foreign sunny holidays, coupled with the high diesel prices, can only serve to reduce the demand and therefore prices of camper vans generally. The Cali, whilst still the benchmark by which all others are judged, will not be exempt from this supply-and-demand fuelled price readjustment.
I for one, have decided to wait and see just how much the prices drop before I purchase, especially at the end of the British summer season... I'm quite sure, I'm not alone.
Maybe you would if you played?However don't bank on my crystal ball, I've never even won at bingo
Once.Maybe you would if you played?
@GrannyJen, how many times have you watched Life of Brian?
Some people won't be able to have their cheap foreign holidays unless they get their passports organised with up to a 10 week wait! Will catch out quite a few people I expect, as well as the 10 year time limit rather than the expiry date.But the return to something like normality regarding the availability of cheap foreign sunny holidays, coupled with the high diesel prices, can only serve to reduce the demand and therefore prices of camper vans generally. The Cali, whilst still the benchmark by which all others are judged, will not be exempt from this supply-and-demand fuelled price readjustment.
I for one, have decided to wait and see just how much the prices drop before I purchase, especially at the end of the British summer season... I'm quite sure, I'm not alone.
A recent passport application fora family member went through in three weeks despite the ten week warning.Some people won't be able to have their cheap foreign holidays unless they get their passports organised with up to a 10 week wait! Will catch out quite a few people I expect, as well as the 10 year time limit rather than the expiry date.
Yes I do think 10 weeks is unlikely. We sent one in two weeks ago and it’s been printed. Just need TNT to deliver it now…A recent passport application fora family member went through in three weeks despite the ten week warning.
Why do you say that?That’s crazy for a beach
Why do you say that?
Regardless of what it is that someone is selling, if the item is in short supply and demand exists, then by definition it's a sellers market.
Currently this site has 45 Calis for sale. Only ten of them are Beaches.
VW Commercial have 35 used Calis advertised. Only 10 of those are Beaches.
Autotrader currently have 75 Calis for sale of which Only 17 are Beaches.
So whilst all three of these main California used vehicle sources have a combined 155 vehicles for sale at present, Only 37 are Beaches. If you then remove those older examples with high mileage and the number is considerably less. Of those remaining, how many are still in warranty with anything more than a fairly basic spec? I would suggest very few indeed.
So even allowing for the higher than usual numbers of used Calis being offered for sale, dealers and private individuals can ask good money for low mileage Beaches with a good spec. They are in short supply as are new ones.
Based on these figures there are currently three other Cali variants for sale for every one Beach!
I just looked up how many Californias were in the UK last year and the ratio is very close to what you had seen from counting adverts. For every Beach on the road there are 3 of the others.Based on these figures there are currently three other Cali variants for sale for every one Beach!
True, but impossible to have 7 seats, flexible space or manual roof in an Ocean.If a Beach is £3-5k less than an Ocean, I'll take the Ocean every time, it's 100% going to have a parking heater and have a better spec even though I may prefer a Beach. Therefore the short supply of Beaches becomes less relevant.
Perhaps you are right. However for the benefit of this thread, it also demonstrates that there is a much greater supply of "proper" campers on the used market at present. This in turn begs the question: With the principles of supply and demand in mind, will the prices of these other variants remain quite as firm?I just looked up how many Californias were in the UK last year and the ratio is very close to what you had seen from counting adverts. For every Beach on the road there are 3 of the others.
There may be a few who think they would be content with either but I suspect that this only demonstrates that for every potential purchaser looking at a Beach there will be 3 others looking for a proper camper.
I just took delivery of a 22 Ocean. Cost me £58k new (ordered 31st March 2021). I have just been offered £80k for it. This is ridiculous. Not worth selling as I'd have to pay the same to get a new one.Just looking at the amount of used Cali's for sale at the moment , normally this time of year everything sells as soon as advertised yet im seeing the same ones for sale now for weeks on end , even Auto Trader has over 100 Cali's for sale
I just took delivery of a 22 Ocean. Cost me £58k new (ordered 31st March 2021). I have just been offered £80k for it. This is ridiculous. Not worth selling as I'd have to pay the same to get a new one.
A California is an expensive toy and prices will remain high until a financial crash causes owners to part with them.A California is an investment - NOT a financial growth investment but a lifestyle and well being investment. If you are concerned about loss then think about the great times and adventures the Cali can provide - priceless. Life is too short!
Our other cars cost more than our California and cannot compete if you can only afford one vehicle. No other vehicle can serve as a daily driver and jack of almost all uses so yes it is an expensive toy but so are almost all cars which don't provide the lifestyle. Life is too short and I would rather look positive than doom and gloom.A California is an expensive toy and prices will remain high until a financial crash causes owners to part with them.
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