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Wogga

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Ordered a £60k baby, downsizing from a £50k GW. Why?
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3. Want the camping feel
4. More mobility once on holiday site seeing town parking etc.
5. Have an Atomkraft Nein Danke sticker I need to stick on a VW camper van........... slow depreciatio.
 
Velma's Dad

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Boris's £80k benchmark puts the Cali Ocean in roughly the price bracket of (say) a Range Rover Sport HSE. So... is a Range Rover too expensive?

Yes it's (arguably) too expensive, if you compare it to other-marque SUVs that are broadly functionally similar to the R/R, but in a price bracket about half to two-thirds that of the Range Rover so in effect a different market segment. Eg an Alfa Stelvio, starting at £39k (hmmm, now you've got me interested, I can feel some more man-math coming on).

The reason that comparison fails through is that there's not really a Cali Ocean functional equivalent (leaving aside conversions, if I may) in a substantially lower price bracket - even the Ford Transit Nugget is only about 10% lower priced at entry level, even though I doubt you could spec up the Nugget to anything approaching £80k.

So no, a Cali isn't too expensive, if you want a campervan and don't fancy 'trading down' in brand/image terms to something else that's still almost as expensive anyway.

I'd be in the market for a reasonable quality, workmanlike, utilitarian campervan that does the job but without the VW van kudos and bling, but it would have to be in the £35-45k base price level to be worth considering. And I don't think that's going to happen until one of the SE Asian manufacturers decides to move on the market.

But having said that, although its a convo, has anyone looked at the Randger, French-built, Fiat-based vans (https://www.randgeruk.co.uk/)? SWB (Cali footprint) and LWB variants, around £42k. That looks like an interesting price point given where VW is up to now. Just saying.
 
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I can not afford a replacement at 2020 prices.
 
Peter Roberts

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Actually it was £59K after just under 15% discount had been negotiated. Being one of the very last T5-1s the dealer had thrown everything at it from 4motion with dif lock etc etc to a host of dealer fitted extras including side pipes and a sport line body kit which I didn't like. I didn't want one of the first T6s and as the choice of T5-1s was dwindling we paid what we thought was a Kings ransom for a bird in the hand. It was a great van, wasn't keen on the pearlescent black paint though.
So it was £59k AFTER 15% discount..That’s £68k list.. OMG... 5 years ago.....We pushed hard to get 8% which we found was the norm for 2015 California’s. Looks like my £42k was a pretty good deal..
 
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The Ocean is now way too expensive. Coast possibly not so if your not bothered about a powered roof.
 
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Louis II

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A new Ocean is too expensive for me.
But they keep selling and as far as I can tell there is still a waiting list. So unless VW plan to invest in capacity then maybe it’s still too cheap?
 
David Eccles

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Having had lots of things going wrong with my 2012 Cali costing money (dealer had cheek to say "it drives well for its age!!!! thought about a new one
I'd still need to find £40K!!!!!
sticking with what I have ... and know ...
 
soulstyledevon

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I’m just glad I bought one years ago.
I remember squirming at the price in 2018. But it worked at the time...
2020 prices are ludicrous and I very much doubt we will change into another Cali.
In-fact, a hefty bill to keep this one on the road is worth paying over sinking another big chunk of money into a new one. Essentially paying for a very very similar experience...
 
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Same here. Buying a high spec MY18 Beach in the depths of December 2017, pre-registered as we collected it with 6 miles on the clock for south of £40k was one of those serendipitous moments. We beat the VW emissions 3 month delay on new deliveries/ registrations by a matter of hours, have had almost three years of fun memories and couldn't replace it without doing a personal import from Ireland etc. and certainly wouldn't want to entertain the monster price tag. As great as a factory fresh Cali is if buying now I'd probably save the £££ and self convert a carefully chosen T6 or T.6.1 van. The current asking prices are out of touch. As much as the future Ford/VW tie up may result in image or possible quality changes it may also reset the prices.

It may just be me but the T.6 and T6.1 are also starting to look a little dated, the reworking of the T5 finally having run out of tweaks.

All a bit irrelevant as our T6 will fingers crossed be with us for the next decade.
 
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So it was £59k AFTER 15% discount..That’s £68k list.. OMG... 5 years ago.....We pushed hard to get 8% which we found was the norm for 2015 California’s. Looks like my £42k was a pretty good deal..
Yep. Mine was 53.5k and was just over the 60k mark list.

Not enough of an change for the cost, so not for me, I'm out!
 
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I must say I have ordered a post demonstrator Coast. There are not many things I find I am missing with the new T6.1 .
Its a lot cheaper than the ocean .... I am a happy bunny
 
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Having owned two now I realise they are long term vehicles. This for me makes the price more palatable.

As with all things, just use Man Maths.

Do you want it? Yes.
Have you got the money? Yes.
Buy it.

Have you got the money? No.
can you get the money? Yes.
Buy it.
 
Eber123

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Good morning,

We bought our Ocean as a demo model. The price (new) in November 2017 was just a little under EUR 70,0000. If I check now, the cost for an Ocean with spimiliar specification is EUR 74,000. But this would include LED lights (which are standard with the Ocean now) and other items.

Seeing it from this point of view the California Ocean didn't get much more expensive. Have I said that, dealer discounts (for my experience) are very hard to negotiate.

Saying all that there is something I can't get my head around. I only would replace my California if I would be able to afford my dream specification (Ocean, 199 HP, DSG, 4 motion, differental lock ...). Last week I configured this on the German VW web page. The cost was almost EUR 92,000. I agree it is a very impressive specification which of course cost money, but it is simply too high. If I would live in Germany I would onsider alternatives (La Strada etc.).

I exchanged emails with my VW sales rep only a few weeks ago. He said that the Californias sell very well at the moment (this is confirmed by newspaper reports). And many in higher spec. An Ocean with the big engine, 4motion cost around EUR 84,000. That is a lot of money. But people still seems to be able to afford this. As long as there are customers willing to pay this amount of money, VW will charge for it.

Happy Califonria,
Eberhard
 
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Have they become too expensive? We currently have a 30 year old T4 westfalia and bought it 8 years ago for 9,500 euros; after those 8 years of memorable trips and journeys, we decided -ordered August 31st, delivery May 2021- to buy a coast: more horsepower (150), air conditioning and we also wanted dsg, fog lights, cruise control and a built-in gps; this comes from our experience and wishes of the previous years with the T4. Oh yes, also dark windows at the back because after 8 years in the back, just like sitting in a fish bowl during the day, we wanted something more private, so: sound-insulating glass with tinted windows in the passenger compartment. What I don't want: the electro-hydraulic roof because all this time very satisfied with the manual roof & I really dont't want experiencing a broken roof during a trip. The choice was quickly made: the coast (no noncense campervan with a good basis). We also chose a free color (cherry red) and not 4motion (if you can use it, you have to order it, but we stick to good tires with better grip for example in wet grass).
It's configured as a 5-seater and also had to use the larger brakes in the front, so 17-inch rims: the steel ones (Michelin crossclimate xl will be fitted). So, the price remained well below an ocean (> 8,000 euros) with options and discounts. Each his choice, of course, but I just wanted to show that there are also those who do not buy the full spec.
Although I will drive with this one every day (my Opel Grandland goes out), it remains a campervan and you know (or don't know) where you will get with it while traveling; hence simple color (easy touch up with small scratches) and if in the future there come aluminum rims underneath, it will probably be the devonports: beautiful and simple for maintenance when they are dirty from those remote beautiful places where you once again wanted to get.
A California has a hefty price, but to me it is also worth it because you have something for it. I hope that the T6.1 coast will give us at least as much pleasure as the T4 westfalia (which we love, I can't -yet- part from it ...) but still have a lot of time until delivery to enjoy it and. .. continue to save ;)

Greetings and enjoy your cali's, whatever one you bought!

If some sentences are a bit artificial: English is not my native language and I use my school English and google translate, sorry about that. But I still wanted to share this with you all as a first time new buyer :)
 
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Calimili

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To sum it up, Cali might have become more expensive, but you get a lot more than you could once spec .
LED 2k, 4Motion 4k , 199PS 4k ,dsg 2k, right there it's 12k worth of options. If you compare with a 150ps manual FWD, which is more like comparing apples with apples, pricing have increased just a little, like any car.
 
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I think part of the appeal has been that they are expensive but relatively simple and reliable so a long term investment.

I'm not so convinced this still holds, the engines are more complex than ever due to emissions hardware and the new dash, control panel etc might become a real issue once these vehicles are 10+ years old.
 
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Have they become too expensive? We currently have a 30 year old T4 westfalia and bought it 8 years ago for 9,500 euros; after those 8 years of memorable trips and journeys, we decided -ordered August 31st, delivery May 2021- to buy a coast: more horsepower (150), air conditioning and we also wanted dsg, fog lights, cruise control and a built-in gps; this comes from our experience and wishes of the previous years with the T4. Oh yes, also dark windows at the back because after 8 years in the back, just like sitting in a fish bowl during the day, we wanted something more private, so: sound-insulating glass with tinted windows in the passenger compartment. What I don't want: the electro-hydraulic roof because all this time very satisfied with the manual roof & I really dont't want experiencing a broken roof during a trip. The choice was quickly made: the coast (no noncense campervan with a good basis). We also chose a free color (cherry red) and not 4motion (if you can use it, you have to order it, but we stick to good tires with better grip for example in wet grass).
It's configured as a 5-seater and also had to use the larger brakes in the front, so 17-inch rims: the steel ones (Michelin crossclimate xl will be fitted). So, the price remained well below an ocean (> 8,000 euros) with options and discounts. Each his choice, of course, but I just wanted to show that there are also those who do not buy the full spec.
Although I will drive with this one every day (my Opel Grandland goes out), it remains a campervan and you know (or don't know) where you will get with it while traveling; hence simple color (easy touch up with small scratches) and if in the future there come aluminum rims underneath, it will probably be the devonports: beautiful and simple for maintenance when they are dirty from those remote beautiful places where you once again wanted to get.
A California has a hefty price, but to me it is also worth it because you have something for it. I hope that the T6.1 coast will give us at least as much pleasure as the T4 westfalia (which we love, I can't -yet- part from it ...) but still have a lot of time until delivery to enjoy it and. .. continue to save ;)

Greetings and enjoy your cali's, whatever one you bought!

If some sentences are a bit artificial: English is not my native language and I use my school English and google translate, sorry about that. But I still wanted to share this with you all as a first time new buyer :)
You could , of course gone late T4 Freestyle as we did. All the bells and whistles you require at a fraction of the 6 price. Then you could’ve remained smug every time you read a post about crap hydraulic corroding roofs and EGR bollox. :pinkbanana
 

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