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[pluc99]

Just inside the van at the bottom of the C pillar there is a rear heater outlet which gets its heat from the engine coolant, just like the cab vents. @pluc99 I have never heard of this being an electric heater. If you have info to confirm this, please post it and I will be happy to correct my info.

I went over the information again and stand corrected. I had gone by California Chris' second video where he shows the supplementary heater for the C pillar in his hand. I jumped to the conclusion that it must be electrical because it made sense to me but he didn't actually say that. Piecing together what information I could find on other forums, I now believe (but still would like to have confirmed, maybe @Loz ?) that heated coolant is circulated with extended piping from the engine to the rear of the vehicle where a fan coupled with a heat exchanger/mini radiator picks up the heat and blows it through the C pillar vent.

It’s only confusing because the VW manual is originally written in German, and the translation into English reads like VW hired the PR chief’s nephew’s girlfriend’s brother’s friend to use Google to translate it. Patience! We can get this straightened out, but please read this post carefully before posting an answer.

i'm fluent in German and I can assure you that it's poorly written in the German version as well, translations don't really stand a chance.

 

[Wesel]

A trip back to the dealer for a better technical handover would help.

Unfortunately not sure. Every time I asked the dealer about specific things about the California, I found that they knew less than we did.

 

[clarinetbcn]

I went over the information again and stand corrected. I had gone by California Chris' second video where he shows the supplementary heater for the C pillar in his hand. I jumped to the conclusion that it must be electrical because it made sense to me but he didn't actually say that. Piecing together what information I could find on other forums, I now believe (but still would like to have confirmed, maybe @Loz ?) that heated coolant is circulated with extended piping from the engine to the rear of the vehicle where a fan coupled with a heat exchanger/mini radiator picks up the heat and blows it through the C pillar vent.


i'm fluent in German and I can assure you that it's poorly written in the German version as well, translations don't really stand a chance.

I don’t know if the rear heater is run from the back with engine coolant, always assumed it was hot air from the front heat exchanger, but don’t know for sure. I do know that the rear AC condenser runs from AC refrigerant piped from the front compressor, since I just had a leak repaired.

 

[clarinetbcn]

I don’t know if the rear heater is run from the back with engine coolant, always assumed it was hot air from the front heat exchanger, but don’t know for sure. I do know that the rear AC condenser runs from AC refrigerant piped from the front compressor, since I just had a leak repaired.

Well, you learn something new every day. Here’s a link to a video that shows engine coolant is routed to the rear AC condenser/heat exchanger in the boot through the…auxiliar diesel coolant heater under the left side of the van! When the heated engine coolant gets to the back of the van it has its own heat exchanger to blow heat to the outlet at the bottom of the C pillar. Who knew? Now we do.

 

[Kayleigh]

Does anyone else get this when they click on videos?

 

[clarinetbcn]

Does anyone else get this when they click on videos?

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I’m signed in to the Forum, if that’s what it means, in order to edit posts.

 

[Little owl1963]

The end of a thread Saga

 

[clarinetbcn]

The end of a thread Saga

82 posts in a thread about the heating system may be a record on the Forum. I hope members will find it useful.

 

[clarinetbcn]

Just as a final note, replacing the piping for the AC refrigerant to the rear condenser just cost me nearly 1000€. This is a van that started life as a demo vehicle for an official VW agency in Germany. The tubing was disintegrating. That’s why the video I posted was actually about removing the whole rear AC/heating system from the van, not something I contemplate, but you have to be willing to spend money on these vans as they age, as they are built for new owners with money and are cheap, unlike VWs of other eras. Just try waving a closed bottle of water over the seat fabric and watch the water stains appear…long time owners know what I mean. Nevertheless, I will continue to maintain it, as the new car based Multivan California is a nightmare of poor design choices dictated by budget restrictions, and gives a new level of meaning to the word cheap when referring to VW products.

 

[Little owl1963]

Well if yourself an lemonade had explained it so well from start may not gone to 82 posts, make this 85 , it's definitely record breaker
By way watched both videos , and read manual , the 2 of them , main volkswagen one and california supplement, also

Can't find any ref to radio entertainment system , that states actual vehicle settings / auto supplementry heater with option to tick the box or untick
This option is within the radio control panel,
You also did not mention it , within the radio entertainment system

 

[clarinetbcn]

I know it’s late, but can anyone explain to me the difference between ? and ??? Please don’t use any word’s with apostrophe’s.

 

[clarinetbcn]

No offense intended, I have lived my entire adult life in Spanish, German, French, Italian and Catalan, none of which are my native language.

 

[pluc99]

I know it’s late, but can anyone explain to me the difference between ? and ??? Please don’t use any word’s with apostrophe’s.

Using multiple question marks (???) instead of just one (?) conveys added emphasis, intensity, or urgency in a question. It can suggest confusion, disbelief, or frustration, as if the person is asking the question with more force or emotion. For example: "What do you mean???" implies strong surprise or a demand for clarification. With a single (?) it is just a neutral question.

 

[Little owl1963]

Have just edited my post 85 hope you can read it Clarinet
Van been in 3 days , just called for update there still scratching there heads at volkswgen
I told them not normal have turn up to 27 or 28 degrees to get hot air .
I don't use auto , could that be problem
Surely temps be same , if press auto or not

 

[clarinetbcn]

Using multiple question marks (???) instead of just one (?) conveys added emphasis, intensity, or urgency in a question. It can suggest confusion, disbelief, or frustration, as if the person is asking the question with more force or emotion. For example: "What do you mean???" implies strong surprise or a demand for clarification. With a single (?) it is just a neutral question.

Exactly. It’s like crying wolf! or fire!! in a crowded theater, or Trump using ALL CAPS, or, to be inclusive of the grammatically impaired, ALL CAP’S. I appreciate your answer, but I am even more grateful that the Forum doesn’t prohibit irony when discussing what is essentially a rich person’s problem!!?!???!!

 

[clarinetbcn]

Exactly. It’s like crying wolf! or fire!! in a crowded theater, or Trump using ALL CAPS, or, to be inclusive of the grammatically impaired, ALL CAP’S. I appreciate your answer, but I am even more grateful that the Forum doesn’t prohibit irony when discussing what is essentially a rich person’s problem!!?!???!!

 

[Little owl1963]

Post 89 says have just edited post 85 so you can read it .
Have managed to read it
I thought forums were meant be useful informative and helpful Clarinet
Nothing do rich man problem Clarinet.

You started off very helpfull an informative to this post but now won't reply to post 85.

Hope your OK an well

 

[Little owl1963]

So the california standard engine oil coolant heater out air cab vents , is it only thermostatic when on Auto only ??
If take off auto , I presume it's non thermostatic ??

 

[secret lemonade drinker]

So the california standard engine oil coolant heater out air cab vents , is it only thermostatic when on Auto only ??
If take off auto , I presume it's non thermostatic ??

There is a reason that us two beach owners cannot answer your question in post 85, we probably (I don't) don't have Climatic control, my beach had manual air conditioning in the front and a manual controlled supplemental heater in the back rear drivers side. so any questions relating to Ocean specific Climatic Air Conditioning systems are outwith our knowledge.

 

[WelshGas]

So the california standard engine oil coolant heater out air cab vents , is it only thermostatic when on Auto only ??
If take off auto , I presume it's non thermostatic ??

Basically Yes.
On auto the air from the vents will vary in temperature to maintain the cabin temperature in that zone as set on the dial.
If auto is off the air fom the vents will be at the temperature set on the dial for that zone.

 

[Little owl1963]

Swansway had my van now for 7 days , still no full answer or solution

 

[Little owl1963]

Van still with volkswagen 14 days now , I told them all this info iv had off forum today , they said ask forum were they had info from and how do they no correct ?
They still saying there is no supplimentry heater to warm coolant if below 7 degrees , nothing in manual and they not heard of it ??

The vent at bottom of bench seat on bottom, they say only the beach blows out there not the ocean ?

The 2 stickers side of my driver van door , they say iv only 1 heater .no mention of this in manual referring to below 7 degrees , said ask forum how they no .

They still don't no under vehicle settings within radio referring to supplimentry heater ,auto what this feature is,if tick or untick ??

They have said the digital temperature gauge is only accurate if heater is in Auto or thermostatic mode.
If not it Auto mode then it's just manual , the digital numerical s mean nothing ? An have to turn up high to get hot air .

Why is there no mention / ref to seperate engine pre heater in any manual ??
Also no mention under vehicle settings to the supplementry heater within the radio control panel ??

They also state there is no sim card in the radio , I thought there was ??
How does it get signal an updates without a sim ?

I'm getting nowhere with swansway , or my emails to volkswagen customer service what so ever , it seems no one has a clue .

Well over 14 days had my van still no answers or solutions off anyone at volkswagen

 

[TripleBee]

An Ocean has 2 auxiliary heaters.
So first, you have the heat that is generated by the engine, and is only available when driving and when the engine is at temperature.
Then you have the Webasto engine coolant heater. This is activated when the outside temperature is 7°C. or below. This helps the coolant for the engine to heat up faster, making the engine get at temperature faster to lower the emissions and economy faster.
Then you have the Eperspächer air heater. This is an autonomous system that (also) uses diesel and electricity to operate and heat up the air that is sucked from inside the van in the right footwel from the front, and is blown out through the black vents in the B and C-pillar down by the floor.

Does your van have PR-code "7VF"? Mine does and this means: Parking heater with radio remote control and electric auxiliary heater.
This means: 2 aux heaters, like I explained here above.

Your second "problem":
When you put your aircon display on AUTO, set on a certain temperature, the aircon will regulate everything (ventilation flaps, temperature flaps) so the ambient temperature will be around the van at set temperature.
If you put your aircon on manual (AUTO LED is off), you have to regulate the ventilation yourself (front windscreen, dashboard or footwell), but it will still be at set temparature. If you increase the temperature, the aircon will blow hotter air, but you will have the manually manipulate the ventilation for the desired feel of the wanted temperature.

Ask your dealer why you have the Eberspächer Airtronic M sticker on your door:

Fuel Operated Heaters

Eberspächer Airtronic and Hydronic guarantee maximum comfort with diesel, gasoline or ethanol operated air and water heaters.

www.eberspaecher-climate.com

Ask your dealer why you have the Webasto Thermo Top C sticker on your door:

Product Overview

Webasto has the perfect parking heater as well as heating and cooling solutions and roof systems for your car, e-car, boat, motorhome, special vehicle and your lorry.

www.webasto-comfort.com

Hope this helps you out more?

 

[Roger Boeken]

never ending story
please read SSP 415 and SSP 416 supplementary heaters vw commercial vehicles

 

[Little owl1963]

never ending story
please read SSP 415 and SSP 416 supplementary heaters vw commercial vehicles

Interesting , we're are they obtainable from ?