Heater Normal air vents.Engine Block Heater. Front Van

[Roger Boeken]

Interesting , we're are they obtainable from ?

Google will guide you to different sites that have some self study programs available for download.
Use “VW SSP type: pdf” for example in google search
You will find some in the resource section of this forum also.

 

[larrylamb]

All good information from forum members but not relevant to the initial post and problem re van taking 30mins to warm up in normal (not cold) ambient temperarures. You're going round in circles @Little owl1963 . Concentrate with your dealer on thread title about engine warm up time not auxiliary heaters.

 

[Roger Boeken]

All good information from forum members but not relevant to the initial post and problem re van taking 30mins to warm up in normal (not cold) ambient temperarures. You're going round in circles @Little owl1963 . Concentrate with your dealer on thread title about engine warm up time not auxiliary heaters.

I am afraid this is another 'baked beans' problem..
The temperature of the air from the ventilation grilles is proportional to the difference between the actual temperature and the requested temperature in my opinion. If the outside temperature is 'not cold' as Little Owl describes then I don't see a problem. I also don't think that the 'auto' button has anything to do with the temperature of the heating, this button automatically distributes the air over the grilles and regulates the fan speed for best heat/cold distribution. If you want to determine where most of the warm/cold air should come from or if you want a lower or higher fan speed, that is possible. As soon as you intervene manually, the 'auto' light goes out. In Little Owl's perception and his experience with an older vehicle, he expects the air from the grilles to be maximally hot when the inside temperature is lower than the requested temperature regardless of the difference between the two.
If we want to compare our vehicles, we must have the same engine, the same outside temperature and drive at the same speed for the same time to measure when the heating reaches the same requested temperature.Little Owl seems to have numerous problems with failing features and broken parts in his 2-year-old cali . Since he has 3y warranty he wants to be sure everything works as expected before warranty is over.. but if you look at some of these so-called problems .. no one else ever had . Either he has very bad luck or he"s looking for problems that are not there. At least he has bad luck with the dealership they seem not to know anything about cali's.

 

[Little owl1963]

Well said yes my exact thoughts I want make sure everything is how should be before 3 Yr warranty expires .
What exact. Vehicle / model do you have yourself roger ?
If you have same vehicle as myself , how long driving from cold up to max coolant temperature of 90 degrees on dash does your van take ??

 

[TripleBee]

Well said yes my exact thoughts I want make sure everything is how should be before 3 Yr warranty expires .
What exact. Vehicle / model do you have yourself roger ?
If you have same vehicle as myself , how long driving from cold up to max coolant temperature of 90 degrees on dash does your van take ??

I have a T5.1, so a couple of years older than yours, but you could call it an Ocean. Mine is a Comfortline, as you had the Comfortline and the Beach back in the early 2000's.
If the outside temperature is 8°C., it takes over 15 minutes to reach the 90°C. mark.
If the outside temperature is 7°C. or lower, it can go much quicker because of the aux coolant heater.
There are too much variables to come to the right conclusion.
If the ambient temperature is warmer, with 6°C. outside temperature, it gets warmer sooner. If the ambient temperature is cooler with 6°C. outside temperature, it warms much slower.

If you put your aircon on 22°C., first the heater will give you all the heat it's got. But the more you hit the 22°C. mark, it will gradually give less and less hot air through the vents.
It will eventually blow colder air through some vents and warmer through other (if put on auto), just to give the total temperature of 22°C.
I sometimes have to put it higher than 22°C. if I have airconditioning on for defogging the windows, because if the airconditioning is on, the air blown out the vents gets colder. Then I have to put it to 23 or even 24°C. to have the same temperature feeling of 22°C. without airconditioning on.

 

[Little owl1963]

It's a real mind boggler the Cali heating system very strange system

 

[pchmlk]

It's a real mind boggler the Cali heating system very strange system

It’s not at all and no different to many other vehicles.
You’ve been given all the answers in this thread for the ‘problem’. Your mind should no longer be boggled!

 

[Roger Boeken]

Well said yes my exact thoughts I want make sure everything is how should be before 3 Yr warranty expires .
What exact. Vehicle / model do you have yourself roger ?
If you have same vehicle as myself , how long driving from cold up to max coolant temperature of 90 degrees on dash does your van take ??

13 deg C outside it takes 20 minutes driving to get 90 deg .

 

[Little owl1963]

13 deg C outside it takes 20 minutes driving to get 90 deg .

Thanks roger appreciated .
So if I think you have california ocean ?
Go into the radio settings .
Under vehicle settings , within there is an option to either TICK OR UNTICK a box
For supplementry heater have you got that option? No one on here has actually referred to this , although I posted image it before .
Please confirm what this is for , it's actually under air con settings .
And more importantly does this function work in california , if Tick or Untick it ?

Also have you ticked this option in the Box ?
and were you aware of it , not sure if many cali owners actually aware it is there ?
An no ref to it in both my manuals

 

[TripleBee]

Thanks roger appreciated .
So if I think you have california ocean ?
Go into the radio settings .
Under vehicle settings , within there is an option to either TICK OR UNTICK a box
For supplementry heater have you got that option? No one on here has actually referred to this , although I posted image it before .
Please confirm what this is for , it's actually under air con settings .
And more importantly does this function work in california , if Tick or Untick it ?

Also have you ticked this option in the Box ?
and were you aware of it , not sure if many cali owners actually aware it is there ?
An no ref to it in both my manuals

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If you type this in Google: "automatic supplementary heater vw", you will find a lot of information.
I had a quick look, and it looks like it would be an electric heating element in the dashboard.
Can you tell any difference if you tick or untick the box and go for drive, with cold engine, in cold weather?

 

[Little owl1963]

Not cold enough try it yet , but will do an post on here my findings .

 

[Roger Boeken]

Thanks roger appreciated .
So if I think you have california ocean ?
Go into the radio settings .
Under vehicle settings , within there is an option to either TICK OR UNTICK a box
For supplementry heater have you got that option? No one on here has actually referred to this , although I posted image it before .
Please confirm what this is for , it's actually under air con settings .
And more importantly does this function work in california , if Tick or Untick it ?

Also have you ticked this option in the Box ?
and were you aware of it , not sure if many cali owners actually aware it is there ?
An no ref to it in both my manuals

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I HAVE 2022 OCEAN 4motion 204HP With 9.2 inch discover media pro (no buttons, only touch screen) I have 3 zone climatronic airco
Just checked: (mine is in dutch )and says very clear : switch on coolant auxiliary heater Automatically.
In other words: you can switch off the coolant heater function that heats the coolant when you start the cali at low ambient temperature. This also means you have this heater .

 

[Little owl1963]

I HAVE 2022 OCEAN 4motion 204HP With 9.2 inch discover media pro (no buttons, only touch screen) I have 3 zone climatronic airco
Just checked: (mine is in dutch )and says very clear : switch on coolant auxiliary heater Automatically.
In other words: you can switch off the coolant heater function that heats the coolant when you start the cali at low ambient temperature. This also means you have this heater .

Mine is under air conditioning settings says at top .
No mention at all about coolant .
Have you seen image exactly what mine says .
Appears Dutch version is worded different ?

 

[Roger Boeken]

Mine is under air conditioning settings says at top .
No mention at all about coolant .
Have you seen image exactly what mine says .
Appears Dutch version is worded different ?

The Dutch version literally says: activate additional coolant heater automatically.
No idea why anyone would switch this feature 'off' .
As said before automatic means when ambient temperature is below 6 deg Celsius.

 

[Little owl1963]

So would you agree digital temperature gauge only reads accurate when in Auto or thermostatic mode ?

When not in Auto mode , it's in effect in manual mode and the digital temp knob is not accurate, only a manual control knob with numerical numbers rendered useless .

Would this explain when in manual mode , I have turn knob right up to 27 degrees plus to actually get HOT air out dash vents ?

Does yours work this way ?

 

[TripleBee]

So would you agree digital temperature gauge only reads accurate when in Auto or thermostatic mode ?

When not in Auto mode , it's in effect in manual mode and the digital temp knob is not accurate, only a manual control knob with numerical numbers rendered useless .

Would this explain when in manual mode , I have turn knob right up to 27 degrees plus to actually get HOT air out dash vents ?

Does yours work this way ?

Do you want hot air, or the set temperature?
If you want set temperature, in manual mode, the air distribution will be not as good as in auto mode, so it might feel different.
If you want hot air, put it to HI (all the way to the right), if you want to freeze your toes off, turn the knob to the left, LO. If you want a certain temperature, just put it in auto at a certain temperature. In a few minutes, it will reach set temperature. If you then think it's too cold, turn the knob to the right, if you think it's too hot, turn the knob to the left.
I have driven 2 cars before the California without airconditioning. They had a slider (Golf 2) or a turning knob with blue and red marking. Then you didn't even know what temperature it was set at. You just slid or turned the knob to the left or right untill you found a decent feeling of temperature.
Will the 22°C. in the California really be 22°C.? Possibly around that yes.

 

[Kayleigh]

never ending story
please read SSP 415 and SSP 416 supplementary heaters vw commercial vehicles

I’ll be honest, I haven’t really understood this thread from start to finish, but I hope this clears up whatever the problem is!

 

[Roger Boeken]

I’ll be honest, I haven’t really understood this thread from start to finish, but I hope this clears up whatever the problem is!

Nobody does ..

 

[Little owl1963]

Not even volkswagen themselfs understand the system .
Two many crossed wires on here .
Roger , triple bee , lemonade an welsh Gas get idea of what I'm seeking .

Iv been very specific , in what I'm stating if read thread from start .
Only just back from work , getting there though with help of above members .

I will reply to triple bee later , he is on right lines with last reply , thanks

 

[andyinluton]

Not even volkswagen themselfs understand the system .

I think VW do understand the system, however they might not understand your question.

 

[Little owl1963]

Do you want hot air, or the set temperature?
If you want set temperature, in manual mode, the air distribution will be not as good as in auto mode, so it might feel different.
If you want hot air, put it to HI (all the way to the right), if you want to freeze your toes off, turn the knob to the left, LO. If you want a certain temperature, just put it in auto at a certain temperature. In a few minutes, it will reach set temperature. If you then think it's too cold, turn the knob to the right, if you think it's too hot, turn the knob to the left.
I have driven 2 cars before the California without airconditioning. They had a slider (Golf 2) or a turning knob with blue and red marking. Then you didn't even know what temperature it was set at. You just slid or turned the knob to the left or right untill you found a decent feeling of temperature.
Will the 22°C. in the California really be 22°C.? Possibly around that yes.

It has to be taken into account I came from a standard Ford Transit connect diseal Van , to a volkswagen cali ocean .

It did not have Auto or digital numerical control , the transit did have Air Con .
The transit van got hot within 5 mins and the position for hot air blowing was around just
over half way on temp dial .

I will start from beginning again as I did from start this thread .

Right I never used Auto on cali because was not familiar with it .so auto was off .
Found firstly cali was taking 25 mins to reach 90 degrees .
But even after 25 mins , the cab was cold an blowing on my feet was cold .
I presumed if I set digital gauge to between 22 to 24 degrees without auto on , this should blow hot air .
This was not the case , an I presumed was issue with heater .
To get hot air without Auto on have to set to 27 degrees upwards .
My mindset was if I set my room stat in my house to 22 degrees it will be hot .

Now if learnt that if want hot air to blow out by my feet .
Only way can do this with Auto off is to set dial 27 degrees and upwards , anything less than 27 will blow cold .

If want to relie on hot air blowing at 22 or 24 degrees , I have to press Auto Button or thermostatic mode .

In non Auto mode the numeric digital gauge knob does not relate to the actual temp you set it .

If all above is correct? Then my heater is working as it should .
That that part .

Next it's said that if outside temp is below 7 degrees , providing the supplementry heater is ticked within the radio console under vehicle settings, this extra heater will pre warm the engine coolant ?

I cannot test / comment on this as yet as outside temps have not dropped .
Soon as they do I will field test this .

I asked members about this setting , no one commented at all , on this TICK SETTING , only a Dutch member recently but apparently his wording read different to mine .

So we already no under normal temps , the california takes 25 mins to reach 90 degrees .so untill reaches 90 degrees we get no hot air .
Are we saying that when temps are below 7 degrees , it will not take 25 mins to reach 90 degrees ??
How long will it take , with this extra heater on ?
Soon temps drop I let you no my test results .


Please see image below.
I have posted this third time , no ref in manual a out this and no UK cali owners comment or no about this , it's in radio panel under vehicle settings

 

[Little owl1963]

If we can establish the above points first .
Then I will move onto next section of rear / living area heating next .
But think first to confirm all above as not confuse the issue .

 

[larrylamb]

So we already no under normal temps , the california takes 25 mins to reach 90 degrees .so untill reaches 90 degrees we get no hot air .

Wrong, I get warm air out of all 4 of our Volkswagens within 10 mins of driving, way before engine temp of 90.

To get hot air without Auto on have to set to 27 degrees upwards .
My mindset was if I set my room stat in my house to 22 degrees it will be hot .

If you want warmer air coming out turn it up, simples.

I have posted this third time , no ref in manual a out this and no UK cali owners comment or no about this , it's in radio panel under vehicle settings

Forget about it. Leave as is.

 

[andyinluton]

25 minutes does sound too long to get the engine warmed up.

How quick does the engine water temperature gauge get moving?

I would expect about 5 mins before I get any meaningful heat out, & thats with the blower on a low setting, on a high setting the air comes out colder as there isn't enough heat in the system to warm the volume of air you are pushing through. Similarly, turning on the heat to the rear will reduce the amount available to heat the front.

 

[secret lemonade drinker]

Let's go round again, turn back the hands of time
That could be a song