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WelshGas

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No 1 is good insurance. Not necessarily the cheapest.
If the professionals want it they will take it. As above, they know all the tricks of the trade.
 
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WelshGas is absolutely right!
So, once again, has anyone got experience of the Outsmart the Thief Lockdown system.
Surely someone must have used it?
 
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I agree it would be an awkward experience but not impossible with seat pushed right back and driver perched on the edge. Obviously the headrest is removed.

The information came from both police and vehicle security experts.
The vans are stolen to order and the thieves are highly skilled in their profession.
You would be amazed at the lengths they go to.
Remember these vehicles are worth in excess of £50k.
Don't confuse these guys with joyriding teenagers.
I have no doubt that the theft of a California is possible, and that they are stolen to order. But faced with a swivelled driver's seat and a deadlocked driver's door, I doubt that even a professional would try.

I have just checked, the driver's seat doesn't flatten (the passenger's does).

Without being able to open the driver's door, but being able to push back and part flatten the driver's seat, this is the space available for driving.

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A little more space would be gained by removing the seat back pockets.
 
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I have no doubt that the theft of a California is possible, and that they are stolen to order. But faced with a swivelled driver's seat and a deadlocked driver's door, I doubt that even a professional would try.

I have just checked, the driver's seat doesn't flatten (the passenger's does).

Without being able to open the driver's door, but being able to push back and part flatten the driver's seat, this is the space available for driving.

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A little more space would be gained by removing the seat back pockets.
Probably enough to get onto a low loader.
My point is the professionals know about all the gadgets and gizmos available and if something can be fitted then it can be overcome. I, personally, haven't heard of any California being stolen out and about, always from home. So the professionals have time on their side.
It's easy to stop the joyrider but the professionals not so easy.
 
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Probably enough to get onto a low loader.
My point is the professionals know about all the gadgets and gizmos available and if something can be fitted then it can be overcome. I, personally, haven't heard of any California being stolen out and about, always from home. So the professionals have time on their side.
It's easy to stop the joyrider but the professionals not so easy.
I think that every theft of a T5 or T6 California that I have heard about has been with the vehicle's keys. So, protect the keys, protect the California.

Ghost - as promoted by @Loz is the only system I'm aware of that protects the vehicle if the keys are stolen. It's weakness is that it does nothing to prevent an attempt (a sticker advertising Ghost will have little effect on amateurs and, I fear, may encourage those who know what it means to resort to finger snapping to gain the access code). The visual impact of a swivelled seat is a powerful deterrent, and therefore, in my opinion, more effective than Ghost. Both Ghost and a swivelled seat might be even better, but if someone is determined enough to attempt to overcome a swivelled seat, I think that I'd prefer to rely on insurance.
 
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Your comment about not confusing the pros with teenagers is spot-on. Unfortunately these guys are likely to target your vehicle and even break in to your house to get keys. Or maybe they just pick your pocket or steal your bag when you're at the beach. The Lockdown system seems to use a dongle, and as Loz noted above, then the thieves could potentially just take that along with the keys and drive off.

We chose the Ghost system for our Cali because it needs a button press sequence plus keys to start the engine, which gave us a bigger feeling of security to most eventualities apart from physical coercion.

Having said that, good security is a layered thing, and all of the suggestions above are great contributors depending on the exact situation. (We couple the Ghost with a bright yellow steering lock, plus Safelocking the van and sometimes rotating the seats and then storing the keys well away from the front door....)
 
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Are there any warranty implications once Ghost is installed?
Warranty exclusions are only to associated parts, so a faulty wheel sensor would not be rejected due to the ghost being fitted etc.
But if you had an issue with the vehicle starting and the dealer tried to blame it on the ghost, you would ask your ghost fitter to remove it.
No other issues.
 
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All comments are worth taking into consideration.
One thing to note with the Lockdown system is that even if thieves have the keys and the dongle vehicle is still tracked and can be immobilised remotely, activating lights to flash and audible alarm to sound. I still think along with good insurance this must be the best option. Probably not a good idea to keep the dongle with the keys.
Our Cali was stolen after thieves broke in and stole the spare keys, best advice we got after the event was don't hide the keys as they will trash the house looking for them !
 
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I have no doubt that the theft of a California is possible, and that they are stolen to order. But faced with a swivelled driver's seat and a deadlocked driver's door, I doubt that even a professional would try.

I have just checked, the driver's seat doesn't flatten (the passenger's does).

Without being able to open the driver's door, but being able to push back and part flatten the driver's seat, this is the space available for driving.

View attachment 61850

A little more space would be gained by removing the seat back pockets.
Impossible to drive in that position.
 
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Certainly very awkward and uncomfortable but I'm reliably informed not impossible and has been done on more than one occasion.
 
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As old as they are a disc lock on the steering wheel is always used,it will slow them down when you’re not at home
At home I have a a cat 1 ,disc lock ,drive post, 2cars behind it and a beretta with night sights silencer and red rod .
If you decide to look at steering wheel locks I am told this one is the baby to get:
 
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Certainly very awkward and uncomfortable but I'm reliably informed not impossible and has been done on more than one occasion.
I’m very sceptical. I can imagine steering for short distances is possible, but driving!? To reach the pedals you’d need double jointed knees.

Is your reliable source trying to sell you an additional security device?
 
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It is accessible enough to move the vehicle prior to towing or loading on a trailer.
Once again, these are professionals.
Information came from Police and insurance company.
As stated before by others, if they want it badly enough they can only be delayed by majority of mechanical devices.
Good insurance and reliable tracking plus the Lockdown facility must be the best option.
Surely?
 
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