The demise of diesel!

[Bellcrew]

Time waits for no (Cali lovin') man:

Future Cars: The 2022 Ford E-Transit Is an Electric Van, Man

The F-150 Lightning grabs headlines, but this van might have a bigger impact.

www.motortrend.com

Nah, just a sop, only good if negligible CO2 is generated in the manufacture, you don't need to travel more than 120 miles and if mass storage is developed to cope for when the wind doesn't blow during winters long hours of darkness. All those uneducated plebs will want answers to these unsolved problems before they vote for those omnipotent green genii.

 

[clarinetbcn]

Wonder how long it took him to plan? Trying to find and decipher my local bus routes and times is a nightmare!

Google maps navigation set to public transportation is great at this. I never look at the Barcelona local bus, metro or train schedule. When set to bikes I use it to plan bike routes in or between cities (commuting, not nature routes.)

 

[WelshGas]

Google maps navigation set to public transportation is great at this. I never look at the Barcelona local bus, metro or train schedule. When set to bikes I use it to plan bike routes in or between cities (commuting, not nature routes.)

The point of the exercise wasn't the route, that's easily done. It was matching up routes and timetables to see how far he could travel in 24hrs using scheduled bus services. The route was immaterial the degree of interconnectivity and scheduling was the important factor.

 

[starbug]

You buy a Tesla long range. You just have to look at the mileage some of the Teslas have done. What you dont do is buy a car with a shorter range, and a poorer charging infrastructure. Or you dont buy an EV.

Interesting figures for mileage and car makes. Us California drivers are pretty low.

https://www.racfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/New_car_miles_by_make_model_and_fuel_type_April_2020.pdf

has anyone took hard earned savings and brought one ?? id like to no that %

 

[66tim99]

You buy a Tesla long range. You just have to look at the mileage some of the Teslas have done. What you dont do is buy a car with a shorter range, and a poorer charging infrastructure. Or you dont buy an EV.

Interesting figures for mileage and car makes. Us California drivers are pretty low.

https://www.racfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/New_car_miles_by_make_model_and_fuel_type_April_2020.pdf

Didn’t expect to spend 15 mins on that. Fascinating...seemingly the more expensive the car, the lower the mileage in the first year

 

[two-saabs]

Best comparison of electric to petrol I've read so far:

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/page/cost-comparison-electric-mercedes-vs-mercedes-amg-20871

 

[Velma's Dad]

Best comparison of electric to petrol I've read so far:

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/page/cost-comparison-electric-mercedes-vs-mercedes-amg-20871

Good article.

Best bit: "SwissCharge is the de facto standard in Switzerland when it comes to a uniform charging solution. You can drive to virtually any charging station and charge with the app, as long as your car is compatible with the charging station."

As usual, the Swiss manage to get things organised from the get-go, while we rely on "the market" and end up with a confusing app-forest, which is one of the key reasons I haven't gone for an EV so far.

 

[clarinetbcn]

The route was immaterial the degree of interconnectivity and scheduling was the important factor.

This is exactly what Google maps navigation does so well. Do you not have this version in the UK?




You could easily experiment with this to see how far you could go in 24hrs.

 

[flying banana]

And we are still ordering diesel trains in the north because it's too expensive to electrify the lines. Sheffield Manchester electrification was scrapped as too expensive shortly after the Tories got in. And no I'm not a labour fan either. It's not as these 2 cities aren't important either.But work that one out? They should stop picking on the motorist and give us a decent reliable public transport network to cut carbon. It's just took me 2.5 hours to get home from Sheffield that by car takes me 35 minutes. If I didn't get free rail travel I would drive everyday. That's how sh1t the system is up here. So bad that even when it's free it's preferable to drive

 

[Velma's Dad]

And we are still ordering diesel trains in the north because it's too expensive to electrify the lines. Sheffield Manchester electrification was scrapped as too expensive shortly after the Tories got in. And no I'm not a labour fan either. It's not as these 2 cities aren't important either.But work that one out? They should stop picking on the motorist and give us a decent reliable public transport network to cut carbon. It's just took me 2.5 hours to get home from Sheffield that by car takes me 35 minutes. If I didn't get free rail travel I would drive everyday. That's how sh1t the system is up here. So bad that even when it's free it's preferable to drive

That tells it like it is. We had decades of post-war neglect and even wilful destruction of the rail network, followed by privatisation in the 1990s that turned out to be a complete shambles.

I now read that it's quite likely that the HS2 eastern leg to Leeds quite likely won't get built, despite (because of?) going ahead with the £100bn London-Birmingham phase which was originally budgeted at £15bn. It makes you weep.

 

[Lambeth Cali]

Hi
With the governments new rules on the ban of new car sales of both petrol & diesel to start in 2030, what are peoples thoughts on buying a new California now, or in the next couple of years? Would you worry about further rules coming into force, bans for driving to certain places, resale values, higher fuel & taxes etc.
Would you delay purchase and wait for, hopefully a new electric version!
Interested to hear some thoughts on this topic.
Thanks for any replies.

The only thing that would mildly concern me is not being able to drive into certain cities. That could affect my holiday enjoyment. Come October I’ll have to pay London ULEZ to go anywhere in it at all. But it’s not a daily driver so not too worried about that.

 

[WelshGas]

This is exactly what Google maps navigation does so well. Do you not have this version in the UK?

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You could easily experiment with this to see how far you could go in 24hrs.

His project was a little more involved than that. Google is very good at mapping out a route from A to B, but what it doesn’t do very well is minimise connection waiting times or maximise the speed/distance travelled which can be seriously influenced by the number of stops on the scheduled bus service. He wasn’t using long distance coaches etc, just local buses.
There is a village near us, 15 miles. According to Google it can be reached in 2hrs 38 minutes with an actual travelling time of 1 hr 13 mins.
However, if I leave tomorrow it will take me 26hrs and 38 mins. Why? Because it only has a bus service Tuesday and Thursday.

 

[blondebier]

There's some interesting research going on called "Ducted Fuel Injection"

I don't think diesel power is dead and will be with us for some time to come. Liquid fuel technology is also advancing at pace. It might even prove to be kinder to the planet than an electric powered vehicle.

 

[ArunAlec]

This is exactly what Google maps navigation does so well. Do you not have this version in the UK?

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You could easily experiment with this to see how far you could go in 24hrs.

What it doesn’t do is show the whole picture. I want to see the timetable so that I can make decisions about breaking up a journey, alternative routes, etc. As @WelshGas has shown for those of us with a irregular bus service you need to see the timetable to fully understand. If I use Google to plan a journey by bus from my house it doesn’t make it clear why I can only make that journey on 4 days of the week! Weekends and Wednesdays are non starters!
Google is great for live journeys where there is a decent public transport network but not for many of us.

 

[clarinetbcn]

His project was a little more involved than that. Google is very good at mapping out a route from A to B, but what it doesn’t do very well is minimise connection waiting times or maximise the speed/distance travelled which can be seriously influenced by the number of stops on the scheduled bus service. He wasn’t using long distance coaches etc, just local buses.
There is a village near us, 15 miles. According to Google it can be reached in 2hrs 38 minutes with an actual travelling time of 1 hr 13 mins.
However, if I leave tomorrow it will take me 26hrs and 38 mins. Why? Because it only has a bus service Tuesday and Thursday.

Did you know that you can search by arrival time or departure time and by calendar date?

 

[flying banana]

That tells it like it is. We had decades of post-war neglect and even wilful destruction of the rail network, followed by privatisation in the 1990s that turned out to be a complete shambles.

I now read that it's quite likely that the HS2 eastern leg to Leeds quite likely won't get built, despite (because of?) going ahead with the £100bn London-Birmingham phase which was originally budgeted at £15bn. It makes you weep.

yes i heard that Leeds is scrapped, and sheffield leg probably. are they still levelling up ? on topic, theres many ways to reduce carbon but they don't do it because theres no money in it. examples could be allow turning left at red lights, get rid of speed humps, turn off traffic lights at daft o clock, turn off motorway flood lighting (why do we need this ?), finish road works once started,make it law that new houses fit solar (or is it not that good here ?),reduce the sodding train and bus fares ( somethings wrong when it's cheaper to get a taxi rather than use the bus for 2 people),bring back trolley buses, milk deliveries etc. on top of all this we need to stop throwing our litter on the floor and stop chopping down trees and plants. blaming me for driving diesels isn't the answer and neither is EV

 

[WelshGas]

Did you know that you can search by arrival time or departure time and by calendar date?View attachment 83570View attachment 83572

I'm sure you can. Obviously you like Google, they probably sponsor you.
But we are not talking about 1 route with a set departure time or arrival time, it is all about making every minute count to travel as far as possible in a 24 hr period using scheduled bus services.
Other people get it I just don't understand why you don't. In fact I think I do know why. So have fun playing with Google Maps.

 

[two-saabs]

yes i heard that Leeds is scrapped, and sheffield leg probably. are they still levelling up ? on topic, theres many ways to reduce carbon but they don't do it because theres no money in it. examples could be allow turning left at red lights, get rid of speed humps, turn off traffic lights at daft o clock, turn off motorway flood lighting (why do we need this ?), finish road works once started,make it law that new houses fit solar (or is it not that good here ?),reduce the sodding train and bus fares ( somethings wrong when it's cheaper to get a taxi rather than use the bus for 2 people),bring back trolley buses, milk deliveries etc. on top of all this we need to stop throwing our litter on the floor and stop chopping down trees and plants. blaming me for driving diesels isn't the answer and neither is EV

I'd keep the motorway flood lights, but everything else agree, especially the point that there is no money in it.

Whenever you wonder what's going on, first tip: Follow the

 

[Wildcamper]

yes i heard that Leeds is scrapped, and sheffield leg probably. are they still levelling up ? on topic, theres many ways to reduce carbon but they don't do it because theres no money in it. examples could be allow turning left at red lights, get rid of speed humps, turn off traffic lights at daft o clock, turn off motorway flood lighting (why do we need this ?), finish road works once started,make it law that new houses fit solar (or is it not that good here ?),reduce the sodding train and bus fares ( somethings wrong when it's cheaper to get a taxi rather than use the bus for 2 people),bring back trolley buses, milk deliveries etc. on top of all this we need to stop throwing our litter on the floor and stop chopping down trees and plants. blaming me for driving diesels isn't the answer and neither is EV

I still believe that coordinated population reduction is the only real answer. Everything else is moving the problem not solving it. Can't see it happening, not many votes in such a policy and the PC crowd would be incensed.

 

[clarinetbcn]

I'm sure you can. Obviously you like Google, they probably sponsor you.
But we are not talking about 1 route with a set departure time or arrival time, it is all about making every minute count to travel as far as possible in a 24 hr period using scheduled bus services.
Other people get it I just don't understand why you don't. In fact I think I do know why. So have fun playing with Google Maps.

You always resort to insults when something is beyond your understanding. Like clockwork. My original posts were about using it to travel as far as possible in a 24hr period, configured to use busses.

I'm not the only one who's noticed your insulting behavior. That is why you're known on here as "one of the usual suspects," those who damage the Forum with their uneducated behavior, but are tolerated because they provide useful information on some threads. You have made 19,278 posts on this forum, far, far more than anyone else, including the owners and mods. Unfortunately a huge number of them are zero content ones like the one above, dedicated to attacking other members. Maybe you need to get out more.

 

[two-saabs]

I still believe that coordinated population reduction is the only real answer. Everything else is moving the problem not solving it. Can't see it happening, not many votes in such a policy and the PC crowd would be incensed.

And i'm one of those... because even if you get past how to do this, it wouldn't make a difference, the minority of people use the majority of the power.

Unless your idea is to kull the middle and upper classes?

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

yes i heard that Leeds is scrapped, and sheffield leg probably. are they still levelling up ? on topic, theres many ways to reduce carbon but they don't do it because theres no money in it. examples could be allow turning left at red lights, get rid of speed humps, turn off traffic lights at daft o clock, turn off motorway flood lighting (why do we need this ?), finish road works once started,make it law that new houses fit solar (or is it not that good here ?),reduce the sodding train and bus fares ( somethings wrong when it's cheaper to get a taxi rather than use the bus for 2 people),bring back trolley buses, milk deliveries etc. on top of all this we need to stop throwing our litter on the floor and stop chopping down trees and plants. blaming me for driving diesels isn't the answer and neither is EV

And grow your own
We’re pretty much self sufficient in fruit and vegetables through the summer and store/freeze a lot for the winter months. All the food miles we save eases our California diesel guzzling conscience

 

[WelshGas]

You always resort to insults when something is beyond your understanding. Like clockwork. My original posts were about using it to travel as far as possible in a 24hr period, configured to use busses.

I'm not the only one who's noticed your insulting behavior. That is why you're known on here as "one of the usual suspects," those who damage the Forum with their uneducated behavior, but are tolerated because they provide useful information on some threads.

What insult?
You like Google. So you might be sponsored.
I don’t consider those insulting terms.
Just because you don’t get your own way there is no need to be insulting, but probably to be expected.

I have examined Google Maps in depth, as far as I can, and there is no way to programme it to select a random route with minimal waiting time, maximal speed and maximal distance within a defined time period using scheduled bus services. Those are the parameters he used.
If you disagree with his methodology then I suggest you get in contact with him. I’m sure the BBC will forward any communication you might like to send to Mr Jo Kibble regarding Google’s abilities.

 

[flying banana]

And grow your own
We’re pretty much self sufficient in fruit and vegetables through the summer and store/freeze a lot for the winter months. All the food miles we save eases our California diesel guzzling conscience

I can't grow pie chips and gravy mate

 

[willwander]

And grow your own
We’re pretty much self sufficient in fruit and vegetables through the summer and store/freeze a lot for the winter months. All the food miles we save eases our California diesel guzzling conscience

You need to get some chickens