Supermarket Fuel

[Annik]

If supermarket fuel was so bad I am sure the press, watchdog, motoring press etc. would of picked up on it, when I did some research online it's just all the same old rubbish being spouted mainly on forums.

If people are happing spending the extra money then good luck to them and I don't have an issue, I just know I'd rather spend my money on more enjoyable things.

 

[larrylamb]

I haven't noticed any extra mpg or a smoother engine but that's not the reason I choose to spend another 10p per litre on Shell Premium fuel. If I'm abroad standard diesel will do, but when I can I fill with the Premium as I believe it helps with a cleaner burn and lubrication etc. It is a small price to pay in my mind for trying to prevent any dpf/egr issues. I only manage about 5k miles a year in the Cali so it is not a huge additional cost.

 

[T6 CFO]

I haven't noticed any extra mpg or a smoother engine but that's not the reason I choose to spend another 10p per litre on Shell Premium fuel. If I'm abroad standard diesel will do, but when I can I fill with the Premium as I believe it helps with a cleaner burn and lubrication etc. It is a small price to pay in my mind for trying to prevent any dpf/egr issues. I only manage about 5k miles a year in the Cali so it is not a huge additional cost.

Difficult to agree or like in Tapatalk so I agree and like and will continue to use a premium fuel when it’s convenient for the same reasons and not worry on the odd occasions when it isn’t.

Mike


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[SLHT6PEARL]

Fully agree with that mike. reading my posts i sound a bit of an anorak on this subject! I’m not it’s each to there own trust me. I’ve just brought a t4,future project for my daughter, I drove it back from Sommerset 109k only ever had standard fuel it drove like new will it be on super fuel now? Of cause it will. Would I have brought it if it was a Petrol no way but I think that’s going off piste Petrol vs derv. Roll on next spring let the adventures begin merry Christmas all.

 

[GrannyJen]

Fully agree with that mike. reading my posts i sound a bit of an anorak on this subject! I’m not it’s each to there own trust me. I’ve just brought a t4,future project for my daughter, I drove it back from Sommerset 109k only ever had standard fuel it drove like new will it be on super fuel now? Of cause it will. Would I have brought it if it was a Petrol no way but I think that’s going off piste Petrol vs derv. Roll on next spring let the adventures begin merry Christmas all.

Merry Christmas and welcome. We look forward to seeing the pics and hearing about the adventures.

 

[T6 CFO]

Fully agree with that mike. reading my posts i sound a bit of an anorak on this subject! I’m not it’s each to there own trust me. I’ve just brought a t4,future project for my daughter, I drove it back from Sommerset 109k only ever had standard fuel it drove like new will it be on super fuel now? Of cause it will. Would I have brought it if it was a Petrol no way but I think that’s going off piste Petrol vs derv. Roll on next spring let the adventures begin merry Christmas all.

Thanks and above all Congratulations on picking up a nice T4. Looking to do the same for my 2 eldest to share. Very jealous, where did you spot it.?

Mike

 

[SLHT6PEARL]

Hello mike I was searching for the right base van for ages but it popped up on gumtree brought it over the phone 2hrs after it was listed. It’s mint condition if I was more savvy with technology I’d send you some pics ,I’ll learn. I was thinking of getting her a t2 or air cooled beetle but too much maintenance Even though I know the joys of both but I do love the shape of the t4. I’ve got my own jealousy towards you ,why didn’t I get 4 motion ?! Never mind I’ve just had mine dropped 30mm and upgraded anti roll bars great ride now. Cheers for your interest.

 

[SLHT6PEARL]

Thanks grannyjen I’m a bit of a technophobe but I’ll do my best.

 

[T6 CFO]

Hello mike I was searching for the right base van for ages but it popped up on gumtree brought it over the phone 2hrs after it was listed. It’s mint condition if I was more savvy with technology I’d send you some pics ,I’ll learn. I was thinking of getting her a t2 or air cooled beetle but too much maintenance Even though I know the joys of both but I do love the shape of the t4. I’ve got my own jealousy towards you ,why didn’t I get 4 motion ?! Never mind I’ve just had mine dropped 30mm and upgraded anti roll bars great ride now. Cheers for your interest.

Nice one. I’d been on the lookout for a T4 Cali but a base vehicle is a good idea. Middle son is well capable of doing a conversion.
Good luck

Mike

 

[El Greco]

Have you noticed those magnetic scale inhibitors that plumbers happily install and charge for? They say it may reduce scaling so they install them. No proof or any guarantee, just install and the customer pays. There is only one loser. Perhaps super fuels fall into the same category

 

[flying banana]

this thread will run and run . unlike an engine filled at Tesco apparently

 

[EddieEagle]

Nothing wrong with Tesco’s.
Always got best mileage from there in my previous incarnation as a Ford owner/driver.
Now as a VW owner/driver should I pay through the nose?

Obviously if and when I sell to buy an i3 then it was always filled with super dooper premium.

I do, however, think paying any more than cheapest available is wasting money,

Tyres, however, best possible with no expense spared......

 

[Jay20cali]

Nice one. I’d been on the lookout for a T4 Cali but a base vehicle is a good idea. Middle son is well capable of doing a conversion.
Good luck

Mike

Recently sold my Kombi highline to purchase the new Cali but wanted a van still for moving stuff.a pal of mine wanted my Kombi and he asked would I take his t4 multivan in px auto tho with a knackered Gearbox.anyway I took it in px and did an auto to manual conversion myself,,and it’s great I had a few t4s there top vans not fussy will run on supermarket fuel and especially the 102 intercooled ones go well .

 

[s2bear]

Dear lord, can't wait when electric cars take over the world. Will be hard to mess with electricity supply for those marketing crooks.

There will always be something - after that we’ll be arguing about which Flux Capacitor is best.....



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[B J G]

Have you noticed those magnetic scale inhibitors that plumbers happily install and charge for? They say it may reduce scaling so they install them. No proof or any guarantee, just install and the customer pays. There is only one loser. Perhaps super fuels fall into the same category

Off topic but I had one fitted by BG when boiler fitted, it started to leak after a number of years, BGas came out, quote 'they all do that in time' replaced by a straight through pipe by BGas. Probably to speed up boiler scale up needing a replacement one fitting.

 

[El Greco]

Off topic but I had one fitted by BG when boiler fitted, it started to leak after a number of years, BGas came out, quote 'they all do that in time' replaced by a straight through pipe by BGas. Probably to speed up boiler scale up needing a replacement one fitting.

My point is that this gadgets' efficacy falls in the same category as the super fuels, perhaps. Unproven.

 

[Roger Boeken]

You know it can take like 50-100km for the newly filled fuel to get into the system, right? ;D

I know it sounds hard to believe but even my wife on the passenger seat said she felt a difference..
I filled up while almost complete empty and I suppose the new fuel gets mixed with what is still there while filling up ?! I wonder if anyone else has tried this and had a similar experience .. if not there must have been another reason ..and using the super fuel was only a coincidence

 

[Roger Boeken]

And if you always fill with the high grade, how was there any difference?

I know to prove something you have to measure it, but that is almost impossible , filling up only every 1000 km , changing weather and driving conditions .. if nobody confirms a similar experience it must have been a coincidence..

 

[T6 CFO]

Back of the fag packet calculations tell me that if about every 1000miles I bung in some premium fuel on the basis that it just might help make Molly run a bit better and protect the engine even to a marginal degree the cost to me over the year will be about £50. The alternative is to conclude that the whole premium fuel issue is a conspiracy by the oil companies. I am as big a cynic as anyone out there but on balance I’ll pay the 50 squid.

Merry Christmas All
Mike


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[MattBW]

I think day to day in a regular car engine like the cali, the benefit of premium fuel is more about longevity and cleanliness of he engine than it is about mpg.

This article is quite balanced:
https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/cost-of-motoring/is-it-worth-paying-more-for-premium-fuel

But there’s no need to regularly fill up with more expensive fuel if you want to look after the engine of your car - just the occasional tank can do the trick.

As for fuel economy, you might only gain a few extra miles per gallon, but over time this should save you a bit of money.

In general, if you can’t really see any improvement in fuel efficiency and performance, you probably shouldn’t pay premium.

What’s more, different cars will respond differently to these fuels, so the only way to find out really is to try out a few tanks’ worth and see.


Another
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/fuel/1...ing-more-for-premium-diesel-or-premium-petrol

Premium diesel
Because diesel engines don't ignite fuel to create power (fuel is added to the air that is compressed instead), premium diesel doesn't usually feature a higher octane rating. Instead, this more expensive super diesel will feature chemicals in its mixture that are designed to shift soot deposits and other oily build-up from within the engine's fuel system.

 

[MattBW]

To be fair too my Dad remanufactures diesel engines for trucks and fire sprinklers etc and I've had discussions with him and he has said that on the engines he see's that use the cheaper fuels you do get more soot and build up which can cause problems. He has also told me that you dont need to use premium fuel all the time to get the cleaning benefit.

 

[Hotel California]

.....people just now joining....
Read #7 and forget about the 8 following pages.

 

[larrylamb]

Tesco strikes again.
http://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/tesco-closes-contaminated-fuel-pumps-939564

 

[B J G]

Tesco strikes again.
http://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/tesco-closes-contaminated-fuel-pumps-939564

Too late now for problematic T5 180 owners to get there for 'ruined' engine claim.

 

[Velma's Dad]

Some interesting perspectives on this thread and I'd bet quality of storage on-site is indeed a big factor in avoiding dirty/wet fuel. But there again, who says supermarkets will be worse than a franchisee in that regard? (And actually in my whole motoring life I've never had a problem with dirty fuel in the UK - only in developing countries where you buy it from the roadside out of rusty old jerricans).

I've always bought basic diesel (from Tesco/whoever) and wouldn't pay for premium diesel just because the fuel company says its better. Well it could be, but how much better?

An extra 13p a litre (www.petrolprices.com) would mean maybe £200 a year siphoned from my pocket into the fuelco's. That adds 24% to their net revenue, and a huge percentage to their bottom line just for adding an extra squirt of detergent and some marketing guff. So one thing I do know is that they're REALLY motivated to persuade me.

Opinions and personal experience from vehicle owners, engineers, or people in the motor trade, are great to hear (the fab guy who services my cars swears by a proprietary oil flush and he may of course be right). But with any such self-reports the placebo effect (as I think Flying Banana mentioned) is going to be massive. That's why pharma companies have to do double-blind trials before they can sell us new drugs. And why we don't just rely on doctors' opinions any more - well, not since they used to tell tobacco companies that, yes, smoking was good for us.

I just haven't seen any quantified evidence for the benefits of premium diesel. This one looks like a balanced and plausible article, but even then it doesn't put any figures on the benefits:
http://www.oilem.com/premium-diesel-versus-standard-diesel-fuel-2/

My working assumption though is that if fuelcos had any really high quality, quantified evidence about their 'premium' products being worth the extra they charge for them, they'd have yelled it from the rooftops by now. But they don't, so they rely on weaselry like "formulated to protect against wear" or "will potentially make your engine run more smoothly" or "can help your car maintain its full performance potential".

Just my views.