Can't book campsite unless I have toilet

[flying banana]

Except the guy before you didn't and he was asymptomatic and now, you have opened the door using the same handle. Soon, you may well be unwell or not even know and you will now be touching lots of things. Which is how it spreads and the issue of containment becomes a problem again. Thats's the dilemma public health are dealing with here. Not whether it's convenient to , erm, have a convenience.

best stop home then. its far too dangerous out there. I suppose you don't touch a basket in the supermarket,or your car steering wheel, buttons on the cash point,your mobile phone,a petrol pump, a train door open button,money,your mail,your dustbin after its emptied,etc etc,the list goes on doesn't it

 

[CaliforniaBen]

best stop home then. its far too dangerous out there. I suppose you don't touch a basket in the supermarket,or your car steering wheel, buttons on the cash point,your mobile phone,a petrol pump, a train door open button,money,your mail,your dustbin after its emptied,etc etc,the list goes on doesn't it

Hear bloody hear

 

[BrendanJ]

Can see were this thread is going, sin bin and censorship verrrry soon.
This post might not even make the cut

 

[flying banana]

Ooh it’s started.
the disappearing posts
For the record I agree the first one was abusive and should go, the second was a reasonable response
At least the whole thread has not disappeared yet

I spotted it. wasn't that bad. been called worse. or better. the guy clearly disagrees that's all.

 

[ArunAlec]

I’m too slow, missed the offending post, bugger

 

[WelshGas]

Maybe I should re-post my comment? Personally I didn’t see anything wrong with it.

Maybe when the original post is deleted so are all the posts that quote the original?

I’ll bear that in mind in future.

 

[NZCol]

I'll post again then without being so narky, perhaps all this putting people in body bags is catching up with me.
My point I was making was that the campsite owners are struggling to work out what is a proportionate way to open facilities taking into account the ongoing risks. Simplest way is not opening them and asking campers to be self sufficient. Everyone needs a holiday, lets hope we can get one.

 

[ArunAlec]

Maybe I should re-post my comment? Personally I didn’t see anything wrong with it.

Maybe when the original post is deleted so are all the posts that quote the original?

I’ll bear that in mind in future.

Didn’t think you were the culprit! I think the disappearing posts are going to cause some head scratchin.

 

[willwander]

A lot of campsites are now taking bookings with free cancellations so I thought I would get in quick as nothing to lose. However so far I have called six campsites I called would not accept campervans and were only accepting self contained units. They would not even let me use me toilet tent

A couple mentioned it has come from their trade body not to allow campervans or tents

Seems daft.
A plastic bucket in my Cali is 'self contained'
If that's not good enough, it's just toilet snobbery

 

[BrendanJ]

Mines just dissapeared I see, wonder if this will stay

 

[GrannyJen]

I'll post again then without being so narky, perhaps all this putting people in body bags is catching up with me.
My point I was making was that the campsite owners are struggling to work out what is a proportionate way to open facilities taking into account the ongoing risks. Simplest way is not opening them and asking campers to be self sufficient. Everyone needs a holiday, lets hope we can get one.

I can well see how doing the job you do would make you adopt an attitude of caution.

I found that using a piece of loo-paper to open the door with gave me a temporary barrier, even if I did have to remember not to wash my hands whilst holding it After that it was just getting back to the van and using sanitiser, belt and braces perhaps.

I can well understand a campsite owner having to carry out a risk assessment deciding the best thing would not to open the loo's in the first place, especially as the vast majority of his business would come from those not too fussed about them being closed.

These are indeed strange times and it's not what we do, it's what others think we might do.

 

[GrannyJen]

Seems daft.
A plastic bucket in my Cali is 'self contained'
If that's not good enough, it's just toilet snobbery

A plastic bucket would be posh in my van

 

[willwander]

A plastic bucket would be posh in my van

Ours too, we would have to upgrade from an empty bottle of Lucozade

 

[Loz]

I found that using a piece of loo-paper to open the door with gave me a temporary barrier, even if I did have to remember not to wash my hands whilst holding it

you weren't actually being serious there were you?

As getting the virus on your hands doesn't give you the virus if the next this you do anyway is wash your hands.

 

[GrannyJen]

you weren't actually being serious there were you?

As getting the virus on your hands doesn't give you the virus if the next this you do anyway is wash your hands.

Yep. Was not being serious. Loo paper gets rather messy if your still holding it whilst washing hands

 

[willwander]

I wonder if this 'self containment' fetish comes from New Zealand ?

These are the requirements outlined in the Self-Containment Standard NZS 5465:2001 in order to receive the self-containment certification.

How to Get Your Campervan Certified Self-Contained [2024]

Find out how to get your campervan certified self-contained with this guide to getting a campervan self-containment certification.

nzpocketguide.com

 

[BrendanJ]

I wonder if this 'self containment' fetish comes from New Zealand ?

These are the requirements outlined in the Self-Containment Standard NZS 5465:2001 in order to receive the self-containment certification.

How to Get Your Campervan Certified Self-Contained [2024]

Find out how to get your campervan certified self-contained with this guide to getting a campervan self-containment certification.

nzpocketguide.com

Wow, how did you find that, I’m impressed
So sounds like toilet tents are irrelevant, and everything, I mean everything must be done in the van.
Maybe time to start checking out the big whites

 

[Beeechke1]

The issue is clear to me, campsite owners like all business must do their risk assessment, if they choose to keep toilets closed it will not be because the risk is intolerable, but because they will have a financial outlay to mitigate the risk in terms of fitting door controls to maintain numbers and social distancing (or wages to put staff on duty) and again wages for the additional cleaning required.

 

[flying banana]

I'll post again then without being so narky, perhaps all this putting people in body bags is catching up with me.
My point I was making was that the campsite owners are struggling to work out what is a proportionate way to open facilities taking into account the ongoing risks. Simplest way is not opening them and asking campers to be self sufficient. Everyone needs a holiday, lets hope we can get one.

or ask those those that seem overly worried about minimal risk to stay home and let the world start turning again.

 

[Loz]

Yep. Was not being serious. Loo paper gets rather messy if your still holding it whilst washing hands

Thank gawd for that, for a moment there I really thought you had lost it....

 

[BrendanJ]

The issue is clear to me, campsite owners like all business must do their risk assessment, if they choose to keep toilets closed it will not be because the risk is intolerable, but because they will have a financial outlay to mitigate the risk in terms of fitting door controls to maintain numbers and social distancing (or wages to put staff on duty) and again wages for the additional cleaning required.

You are quite right and they may well choose different options in terms of managing risk such as
Close toilets completely
Open them with additional measures required to safeguard everyone, could be free or additional charges to cover costs
Limit there customer base such as tents and camper vans not allowed
The list goes on, no ideal solutions but hopefully common sense will prevail to allow not only operations to resume, ie camping for all, but ensure there business survival and society health and well being
We will see

 

[GrannyJen]

Thank gawd for that, for a moment there I really thought you had lost it....

It was actually a reference to the self-deprecating comments I made in post 25

 

[soulstyledevon]

Seems daft.
A plastic bucket in my Cali is 'self contained'
If that's not good enough, it's just toilet snobbery

It won’t be self contained for long, if you’re unfortunate to kick it over...

 

[NZCol]

The NZ self containment situation was as a direct result of freedom campers not having appropriate toilet facilities and pissing and shitting all over a lot of major beauty spots. When I say freedom campers I’m talking about cars that people camp in mainly and shitty white Toyota Hiace vans. At the point it was conceived there were from memory less than 20 Calis in the whole country. There’s also summer time bans from freedom camping in most of the hotspots.

 

[Big Ron]

Ours too, we would have to upgrade from an empty bottle of Lucozade

Wow you must be a dead good shot(?) getting it in a Lucozade bottle.....doesn’t it wobble when you sit on it?

You learn something new every day!